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Hie all, yesterday trainer came and bruno greeted him with extreme growling and aggression, He was such a sweet kid, i remember some time ago he used to lay on his back and demands belly rub from every single person who came to our house.

Trainer said, he was not aggressive bt rather frightened and was just trying to protect himself and us.

He said getting him neutered is v necessary.
 
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When i made this post i had a fearful and under confident dog but since then everything changed.

BEFORE 6 DAYS,
scared and frightened dog but extremely sweet when he is happy.
USed to follow my mom like shadow.
CAN die for treat and his ball.
was frightened by other dogs, guitar and unusual sounds.
GETS MAD EXCITED for his walks.

ONE DAY OUR MAIN DOOR MADE ONE IRRITATIN SOUND, A NAIL GOT STUCK IN IT AND IT MADE A SOUND ( u can imagine?)

NOW,

try to get as far away as possible from that door.
stay alone in balcony and growl when we go near with showing his belly to rub.
wont go outside unless extreme pressure for potty and then wont come back as he is scared from entrance door.
Wont take treat or his ball if he seeing that door.

MY mom and me both cried last night seeing him like this.
I have his neutering appointment next week, then trainer will waork on his confidence.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
WHy is this happening?
I never did wrong to anyone, I just want my bruno back.

I took leave from office and sent my 1 yr old child to my sisters, i want my bruno back.
Roaming in house braking stuff, getting on couch, irritating me.
 
Dear digvjmaniktala,

It sounds like you are taking very constructive steps with the neutering appointment and having secured a new trainer who is different from the previous persons.

Before going further, as one resource I would like to share this website:
Why TTouch® for Your Animal? - Tellington TTouch Training™

This organization doesn't have an office in India, but if you are able to get connected with one of the more seasoned practitioners of this method, even a single phone (or skype video) conversation may offer interesting insight from a new angle. Some TTouch (or tellington touch) practitioners are trained to teach owners a specific technique which involves sensitive touch.

Also I want to reiterate that my thoughts of support goes out to you, your mom, and your family as you go through this. You are courageous for seeking advice in a public forum. While people give you advice, they are simultaneously being taught by the experiential knowledge you are sharing, because what you are sharing from actual experience with your loved one is valuable information which is different from any theory, book-based knowledge, or even comparable stories. So while their (or my) advice may be of value and their giving spirit precious, more than anything your honest words, heartfelt sharing, and sincere efforts are teaching many including me. So first and foremost I salute you for staying in the fight so persistently and patiently for a member of your family who you clearly love so much, and in addition for opening yourself up to the world for the sake of your love for your dog. Somewhere someone who reads your words will be encouraged by your testimony in their own situation.

Your trainer sounds like he/she is taking the right (compassionate and conscious) approach, and I pray for blessings in the appointment.

In contemplating your latest updates, I am sharing the following as a possibility I wondered about (but not a certainty):

As dogs are so highly sensitive and intelligent, I wonder if he may have noticed that strangers are coming in to work on him. I wonder if Bruno may have even caught on to everyone's worry that if he/the trainers fail or make a mistake, that he may be given up. (In my own experience I have had both dogs and cats respond to my speech in ways that they could only respond through understanding of either the words or the accompanying non-verbal signals, so now I spell out certain things or don't let them hear the words at all if I suspect the conversation could be interpreted by them in a way to cause stress or hurt.) Even if Bruno hasn't figured everything out, since he is already in a vulnerable state with some sort of reaction of fear having been triggered, any stimuli with new people or new situations in his environment could cause a temporary escalation of this same condition caused by fear.

Over 20 years ago one day I had a panic attack out of the blue. This turned into a series of panic attacks that would be triggered by the strangest, most random things. I always think of how scary and indescribable these experiences felt, when I try to empathize with dogs or human struggling with such episodes of fear. I am blessed to have a family member who at the time would simply sit silently next to me, and hold my wrist and measure my pulse. This somehow would calm me just a little bit, and that little bit I was so grateful for, even though I was too scared to thank him in words during these episodes when simply breathing felt difficult. It didn't stop the panic attacks from happening, but it made it a little more bearable. Over the years the attacks became more infrequent and more manageable.

Having had those close to me (both animals and humans) struggling from more severe episodes, I am aware that what I experienced was relatively minor, and often the solution isn't as easy as what I experienced. However I also notice that dogs in general (in most societies) don't get the chance to heal even in basic ways when it comes to panic-attacks and fear-based behavioral situations. When they go through panic attacks oftentimes professionals label them as aggressive/dangerous (if they bark/growl/or use their mouths to keep people away) . Oftentimes professionals try to correct the symptoms, but what somehow gets forgotten is that the symptom may be very slow to change, and what sometimes needs to be modified is human expectations. Sometimes professionals have a tendency to try to fit dogs into a certain standard or timeframe when discussing behavior, but every dog is going through a unique situation and unique life, and we as humans (experts included) need to change our expectations and behaviors (moment-to-moment and long term) accordingly, even if it means doing things differently than ever before. When encountering a dog with a behavioral issue some professionals try to get quick results in order to demonstrate the value of their service to the client, and when the dog doesn't respond as desired they will eventually suggest to the owner that the dog is a problem dog or that the situation is beyond cure- when professionals take this approach it causes society to forget that the goal is to take the time to go deeper than the surface and reach the heart of the dog, rather than to rush to adjust the dog's surface behavior and try to quickly correct the symptoms. I know I am making a broad generalization, and there are many trainers and animal professionals out there who are heroes and nothing like what I described, but there are also those who do fit that description, enough for me to have come across several even in my limited experience.


If your trainer is able to put his purpose in action (helping grow Bruno's confidence with an understanding that he is suffering from fear) and works gently--carefully, always listening to/learning from the quiet messages from Bruno, with a willingness to continually modify his own energies and behaviors in response to these messages, and without rushing for results--I believe it will definitely be felt and appreciated by Bruno. It may take time for Bruno to be able to gradually ease out of his symptoms of fear and to be able to show just how much he appreciates everyone's help, but when working with the heart and nervous system sometimes change takes time. The nervous system including the brain is built for learning and change, so small improvement is always a possibility, and if nurtured with loads and loads of patience, small improvements, even very very small improvements, have the potential to eventually grow into significant improvement.

Your goodness and beautiful love for Bruno is palpable from your updates, and your efforts are incredible. I hope my thoughts are supportive to you and your family in some way. I know that I lack proper understanding of your unique situation. Please take only what is useful and ignore any statements I may have made in ignorance. I believe that in your wisdom and love you know best what Bruno needs, more than anyone else.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Hi all,
these two days we showered him with praises and love and my mom made me pray for his well being and I was amazed I saw noticable difference, He started playing again and following my mom.
After so many days he slept with us, HE is still v scared of that door but i am working on that.
I rescheduled his neutering apointment to next sunday, till then ill keep working on his confidence.
and from next wedsday trainer will start working on his behaviour modification.

What do you guys think of that?
 
Yes, a video would definitely help. In your video, it would be helpful to see not only your dog's behavior, but how you are interacting and working with him.
 
That is absolutely beautiful...respect and admiration going out to you and your mom...I pray for/with you guys...Bruno blessings to you...

Hi all,
these two days we showered him with praises and love and my mom made me pray for his well being and I was amazed I saw noticable difference, He started playing again and following my mom.
After so many days he slept with us, HE is still v scared of that door but i am working on that.
I rescheduled his neutering apointment to next sunday, till then ill keep working on his confidence.
and from next wedsday trainer will start working on his behaviour modification.

What do you guys think of that?
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
Guys that gate problem has been solved, He got over it by himself so technically not solved. He have started playing and roaming in house alright but his growling has increased to such a level that even standing in front of him if he is playing with toys triggers it.

I have decided that ill work with proper steps now.

this week,

1. Boosting his confidence while walking, I am making a new thread for this with videos, please visit and share ur knowledge.
2. Teaching him drop command and limiting his resource guarding.
 
Hie all, yesterday trainer came and bruno greeted him with extreme growling and aggression, He was such a sweet kid, i remember some time ago he used to lay on his back and demands belly rub from every single person who came to our house.

Trainer said, he was not aggressive bt rather frightened and was just trying to protect himself and us.

He said getting him neutered is v necessary.

Yeah my boy Zody used to do that BUT he was not asking for belly rubs. Because that's what people thought before I adopted him, and they were happy to give him the belly rubs, it caused him to escalate trying to tell people that he's afraid and he now barks, growls, and lunges at people.

What was Bruno's body language when he went belly up? Zody does so and he's sort of curved in, halfway laying on his side, his tail is tucked, he has whale eye *whites of eye showing", he's lip licking, and his ears are back. All of that is a sign of a dog that is very, afraid, and trying to say "please leave me alone, please don't hurt me." Because no one listened he escalated to fear aggression.

Fear aggression is because the dog is terrified, but it's still aggression. Such dogs will bite if pushed. They are not mean dogs though, they are scared ones.

Can you tell me what's going on when Bruno bites?

Also, unless Bruno is showing happy, loose, wiggly, body language when he goes belly up, do NOT pet his belly. He is NOT asking for a belly rub. It's called submissive body language and is a sign that the dog is scared and anxious.
 
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Here's two belly up pictures so you can see the difference.

The white dog is one I found on the internet. See how her tail is kind of tucked, her ears are back, and her face looks kind of tense? To me she's saying, I'm scared please go away.

The black and white dog is my dog Zody. His body language is loose, his tail if you could see it, is not tucked, his ears are in their normal position, and his expression is happy. He was being goofy that day playing and wanted his belly petted. His body language when he's being submissive / fearful and going belly up is like that white dogs and completely different then how he is in this picture.

 

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Discussion starter · #32 ·
Wow, How can i never thought of this.

Bruno is a dog who never jumps, he crawls, whenever he is happy or excited to meet someone, he ll go crazy, crawling and belly showing so i thought when he showed this while growling he wanted to be loved.

Ill make a video of both times, extremely happy and while growling and then ill observe carefully.

Thank you so much for this.

Regards.
 
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