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Hi, my 2yr old LAB, i m skipping most things,

1.Fearful and Frightened dog.
2.Biting house memebers, MOM, DAD, ME.
3.Now his bites are there for kills.
4.Already tried trainers, they were hitting him.
5.Mom gave me a month to either train or they will abandon.
6.Took leaves from office to help my son.
7.Is adviced to neuter him, should I? ( he is FEARFUL)

WE are literally horified now as when we ll get bit.
I love him more than anything.
 

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Biting = certified behaviourist. You need more help than people online can give you. Not all trainers are created equal and there's a lot of research that gets put into it-check out the sticky on how to find a good behaviourist. Once you find one, it will take time-probably more than a month to work on these issues. The behaviourist will tell you how to manage in the meantime.

Abandoning this dog would probably lead to a worse life than euthanasia, given his history you would need to disclose this at a shelter for their safety.

Neutering him is probably a good option for you.
 

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it would be good if you could give a bit more information, as in what situations does he bite? i think training classes might help, to socialise him/her.
what exactly do you mean by trainers where hitting him???
and yes i would have him neutered. it helped allot in my house years ago, when i had 2 young male dogs.
 

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find a reward-based, violence-free working behaviourist.

parallely, learn how to manage him, so that he doesn't get any opportunity to bite.
condition him on a muzzle and let him wear it, when he's a around people.
condition him on a place, where he can retreat when he feels unsafe (crate, dog bed, tell you family that they're not allowed to touch or disturb him there).
keep him in your control (house leash).
stay friendly, calm and position. no punishing for his behaviour.
reward calm, wanted behaviour.

bringing this dog to a shelter, depending on your country's laws, would mean either life sentence in shelter or it will be killed.
 

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thank you so much guys for your response.

Earlier his trainer was hitting him to teach things, when he growled he was hitting him untill he stoped.

anyways, i diagnosed the problem.

My Lab is very depressed and extremely frightened.
He sleeps throughout the day, his tail is always tucked in, his mouth is always shut.
when we play with him, his tail starts wagging and he jumps bt than again all same symptoms afetr 10 mins.

I love him a lot, plz help me guys.
 

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You need to find a POSITIVE trainer/behaviorist, one that will build his confidence and show him that the world is safe and happy - NOT one that hits him.

Also, you should never ever punish growling. I know that seems counterproductive, but growling is how your dog communicates he is scared. If you punish that, your dog may stop growling but he is still scared - this is how dogs end up biting "out of the blue".

Until you can find a good behaviorist, just try to manage. Give your dog some space. Make him feel as safe as possible.
 

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Hey , I finally found a behaviorist in my area, he says he is a behaviorist and is certainly charging for one. India is not a good place for dog lovers, every triner knows to hit them untill they learn.

Guys this is my last chance my family has given me to keep bruno with me.
I m giving all my energy and focus on him.

I require your expert advices and help too.
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My family is Indian too. And none of my relatives from India are allowed to discipline my dog - they all have the stupidest theories and do things like using sticks to "scare" the dog when he is "bad"or grunting and yelling commands to make him obey. And they keep chasing him, which is hard because I'm trying to teach recall and I need to teach him to always come to me and never run away from us.

Tell me OP, what part of India are you living in? Animal behaviorists/trainers aren't really a thing there, but in some parts of the country there are Buddhist monks who have worked with animals and can be very helpful with their compassionate approach to working with animals. Of course, they're not going to teach specific things and tricks, but they often do have a gentler approach that is more objective than your family's approach. And since your goal here is to just soften his touch and make him less aggressive, that may be a better bet.

I should also add that neutering won't have a dramatic effect. It will make him generally calm but it won't rid bad behaviors or aggression.

I do think we need more information on the biting - what triggers the behavior, for example, and how all of you have been dealing with it so far.
 

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Also, is my assumption correct that when you say "abandon" you mean set him loose on the street, since they don't have shelters or rescue organizations there?
 

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I meant that , i actually wnt everything i can.

Im v worried seeing him like this. Its like i dnt even know him

His situation is worsening.
 

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Hi digvjmaniktala, I pray you and your pup all the success.

In my experience, certified or professional trainers don't always know what they are talking about. Just like professional teachers, you have your good/bad teachers, and even the good teachers don't always have the remedies. According to your post the trainers/behaviorists you have come across are relying primarily on physical punishment, and I agree with others that that is counterproductive.

I think you are doing the right thing by giving him the extra love and attention, trying your best to persuade your family members, and talking to people for support and advice. I admire you for not giving up on your baby, and for trying everything you can. I can only imagine how difficult this is, and am sending out my support and thoughts!

Progress might be slow and gradual, but he will learn to modify his actions to a more and more acceptable level if given a chance. I say this with conviction because of personal experience with my own baby.

We as humans often take for granted that dogs don't use their mouths to keep certain types of energies away. We forget how quick we are as humans to act aggressively when we are scared, even if it is unwarranted fear. If someone is clearly depressed or scared, I think the most common sense course of action is to be sensitive and patient to get to the root of the issue, not to try to punish them out of it.

From reading your diagnosis I believe your instinct is really correct and will always be- no one loves and knows your dog better than you.

I would suggest that in addition to playing with him, do (and if you are doing it already then continue to do) the following things constantly and consciously: take a lot of time talking to him (not just commands or typical "good dog" type of language, but actually talk to him like you would to a person, in a normal/softer tone); simply observing the smallest details (his breathing for example- when he is being observed without judgment he will feel it); gentle quiet touch as often as possible (sometimes just laying your hand on him); if he refuses being touched or approached, then give him distance and gently speak to him in a soft loving voice for a long time (if you feel it then with a genuine smile), and keep telling him how great he is and how you love him. The purpose of all this is not that it is a magic instant remedy, but it also trains the human to learn to listen, feel, and become sensitized to the subtleties of the dog. It also gives the dog the chance to better learn us and our energy. All your dog wants to do is learn how to make you happy, and giving him time to just feel and observe you (even if he is not behaving in a way that is "perfect" at the time) will give his body and mind a chance to start exploring how he can do that.

Another thing, growling and barking isn't always negative. I have the most loving pup and he growls from time to time. I just talk to him and he relaxes in a very sweet way. It is just your baby's way of letting you know he is uncomfortable, but so many so-called animal professional would write the dog off as being aggressive...always know that you are the parent, not them. Offering advice as a job is different than loving a dog in rain or shine forever as a child, so if they tell you to give up, don't believe them.
 

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@arybark

Thank you.
Thank you so much. it really felt nice reading this.
My whole family read your comment.

Tomm a trainer will b visiting us.
I hope everything gets ok.
I already do talk with him alot, ill giv him evn more love now.
 

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@digvjmaniktala

It moves me that my heartfelt support reached you and your family...thank you so much for letting me know, that means so much. I admire you for being the loving parent your pup needs and for fighting for him.

@arybark

Thank you.
Thank you so much. it really felt nice reading this.
My whole family read your comment.

Tomm a trainer will b visiting us.
I hope everything gets ok.
I already do talk with him alot, ill giv him evn more love now.
 

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My family is Indian too. And none of my relatives from India are allowed to discipline my dog - they all have the stupidest theories and do things like using sticks to "scare" the dog when he is "bad"or grunting and yelling commands to make him obey. And they keep chasing him, which is hard because I'm trying to teach recall and I need to teach him to always come to me and never run away from us.

Tell me OP, what part of India are you living in? Animal behaviorists/trainers aren't really a thing there, but in some parts of the country there are Buddhist monks who have worked with animals and can be very helpful with their compassionate approach to working with animals. Of course, they're not going to teach specific things and tricks, but they often do have a gentler approach that is more objective than your family's approach. And since your goal here is to just soften his touch and make him less aggressive, that may be a better bet.

I should also add that neutering won't have a dramatic effect. It will make him generally calm but it won't rid bad behaviors or aggression.

I do think we need more information on the biting - what triggers the behavior, for example, and how all of you have been dealing with it so far.
Yeah, there are not many shelters or loving/expert behaviorist here bt i have found one and we will be starting from today.
Im thinking of making a new thread with giving v specific info about bruno and how my trainer is working, I actually do have trust on this new trainer of him as he has mostly worked outside of India.

I need you guys also.
Thanks a lot.
 

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I'm new here and probably not as experienced as the rest, but what worries me more than finding a behaviourist is keeping your family members (especially son) safe. This can go very very bad, very very quickly.

Of course find a way to treat your dog if possible, but priority 1 should be keeping humans (especially young ones) safe from harm.
 
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