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Does anyone use a leash tie-out type thing in the yard when playing with their dog? I don't have a fenced in yard and am probably getting a dog sooner than I am getting the yard fenced. The dog I am probably going to foster from the shelter likes to play fetch so I was hoping to come up with a way to play fetch with her in the yard but have her still be "on leash" so she doesn't run off, obviously. The leashes i have are 6 ft leashes so I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for leash tie-outs or long leashes or any experience in general with playing with a dog on leash in the backyard? Thanks!
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Wanted to add even for dogs that don't chew through the cable damage is still being done from them chewing on it. I'm not a fan of broken cutters. I don't like using cable, but a custom cable run works well because the cable is overhead out of the dogs reach and ability to chew.

The snaps on what you (leashed4life) show in the photo, yeah I wouldn't pay money for something like that. The springs fail leaving them to hang open and the collar on the D ring easily will be out in seconds. Also the swivel section wears a lot faster than bullsnaps or the like. Those eventually will wear out too, just not near as fast.

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I'd rather spend the extra money to make one myself that I know will last and is heavy and to my liking. It's personal preference, not saying anything is wrong with pre fab.

Lol dogs can in fact chew through cable / coated cable just so you know.
Same my dogs will chew any coated cable in minute lol it's unfortunate. Not that they go on cables much but I agree better to make your own then have to worry about them breaking off.

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dogs that cut wire-twist bike or airline cable?

... dogs can in fact chew through cable / coated cable, just so you know.
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Not unless it's super-cheap 1/4-inch. :rolleyes: So much for 'durable' & well-made, :rofl:

Sure, dogs can gnaw off the coating, yes - 3/4-inch twisted metal strands under it, no. :)
Unless U have one of those hardened-steel jaw dogs, that cut padlocks from hasps for fun, in their spare time? :D

http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218978&stc=1&d=1512017372

[Even bolt-cutters have a hard time slicing cable thicker than 1/4-inch. Some can manage 3/16ths.]

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... dogs can in fact chew through cable / coated cable, just so you know.
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Not unless it's super-cheap 1/4-inch.
So much for 'durable' & well-made,


Sure, dogs can gnaw off the coating, yes - 3/4-inch twisted metal strands under it, no.

Unless U have one of those hardened-steel jaw dogs, that cut padlocks from hasps for fun, in their spare time?


http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218978&stc=1&d=1512017372

[Even bolt-cutters have a hard time slicing cable thicker than 1/4-inch. Some can manage 3/16ths.]

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I really don't find people's dogs escaping or ruining their teeth funny. I think I pointed out not durable or reliable, hence one reason I wouldn't personally use them. There are several. As well as chewing on the coating (which some dogs like to do) still has hazards.

How many average dog owners do you know who are knowledgeable about dog containment? Or have someone with knowledge they can go to? How many even care or just buy the cable (or cable run) equipment commercially available for dogs. A lot of which is not very thick. Then there is the other failures that cab Halen regardless of if being chewed through or not.
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Forgot to ask where did you give 3/4 dog cable tie out? I don't go around measuring them or checking put every product since I'm not interested, but most look thin and one I know is stated for big dogs is 1/5" and I'm not even sure if that's the cable or including the coating. Eyeballing and having bought thicker cable the ones I've seen are not near 3/4. Not that it matters much to me personally because all of them have hardware that isn't too durable that I've come across regardless of cable thickness.
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"How *Could!* U!..." // Meh. I give it only a 6 of 10, as a 'flounce'.

I really don't find people's dogs escaping or ruining their teeth funny. I think I pointed out not durable or reliable, hence one reason I wouldn't personally use them. There are several. As well as chewing on the coating (which some dogs like to do) still has hazards.

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oh, for pity's sake, Spicy. :rolleyes: Tying-out a dog on the equivalent of metal embroidery-floss is ridiculous -
& may i remind U, these are all hypothetical dogs. Guilt-tripping me is pointless.

My bicycles never ran about at 25-mph on their own, nor pulled on their locking-cables, but i didn't BUY 1/4-inch cable to secure them.

I've yet to meet anyone, IRL or virtually, or even hear of anyone, whose dog "ruined their teeth" by chewing on metal rope.

Chewing on tennis-balls, yes! - many, many, many. Dentin exposed, end of the tooth ground-off, curved 'socket' to fit the abrasive ball into, yup - very very common.
"tennis-ball mouth" is actually a known issue; there's no similar term for "wire cable mouth".
I hate to see dogs with tennis-balls - denuding the ball is part of the "fun" for many dogs, & there are so many mouth-friendly options that don't get as filthy as fuzzy tennis-balls, & WON'T grind their teeth to the gumline like a wet abrasive disk.

Feel free to tell me how ignorant i am, not knowing any metal-rope-chewing dogs or their owners, & also how cruel, for thinking that anyone who secures a dog bigger than a Chihuahua with 1/4-inch wire cable is delusional.
The vast majority of dogs that i've seen on tie-out trolleys aren't itty-bitty toys, they're typically in the Med-Lg range of 40 to 60#. // 1/4-inch cable, to secure a dog of that size, would look like string.

I can't wring my hands over an issue that's never been raised. I've worked with many dogs who had a rock-chewing compulsion, & the consequent cracked & broken teeth, or who swallowed stones, & required surgery, & several who'd been kept in extreme confinement, & damaged their teeth trying to escape, or simply gnawing with boredom.
If any owner comes to me with a cable-chewing dog, i'll refer them to U as an expert on the subject. :p

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I have a leash tie outside for one specific reason, when I'm out doing yard work and my younger dog is out with me. 99% of the time, we don't use it, but if I'm out there and can't watch him like a hawk, I tie him up. Our chow mix is old and just likes to lay on the deck. When I'm out with both dogs where I'm focused on them, then neither are on the tie, and sometimes neither are leashed.

We don't have a fully fenced yard because we live in a secluded forest on a few acres of land that the land is not flat. We have no neighbors behind us for miles, but at the very end line of our property there are active railroad tracks. So if it's a nice day, and I want to work in the garden but will be making trips back and forth to our barn, I tie up the dog that I cannot trust 100% yet for his own safety. We are so far back and the land has many trees, you can't hear the train go by. There is chicken wire on the property line, but that's more or less to keep our neighbors' properties separated.
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I really don't find people's dogs escaping or ruining their teeth funny. I think I pointed out not durable or reliable, hence one reason I wouldn't personally use them. There are several. As well as chewing on the coating (which some dogs like to do) still has hazards.

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oh, for pity's sake, Spicy.
Tying-out a dog on the equivalent of metal embroidery-floss is ridiculous -
& may i remind U, these are all hypothetical dogs. Guilt-tripping me is pointless.
How did I guilt trip you? I see people do a lot of "ridiculous" things when containing their dogs. Using a tiny, twist chain with bendable snap on an adult male Pit Bull is ridiculous, but the lady on my street did it. He broke those snaps numerous times! The ACO used to just take him home lol. That's if they were even called, everyone in the neighborhood knew where he lived. Putting multiple large dogs in a weak and broken fence and they surprise - escape. The list is endless.

I've yet to meet anyone, IRL or virtually, or even hear of anyone, whose dog "ruined their teeth" by chewing on metal rope.
I accept that, but it's a logical conclusion and shouldn't be unbelievable.

Chewing on tennis-balls, yes! - many, many, many. Dentin exposed, end of the tooth ground-off, curved 'socket' to fit the abrasive ball into, yup - very very common.
"tennis-ball mouth" is actually a known issue; there's no similar term for "wire cable mouth".
I hate to see dogs with tennis-balls - denuding the ball is part of the "fun" for many dogs, & there are so many mouth-friendly options that don't get as filthy as fuzzy tennis-balls, & WON'T grind their teeth to the gumline like a wet abrasive disk.
Never had a dog ruin their teeth on a tennis ball, ever. Not heard of it, on a jolly ball yes, tennis ball no. Doesn't mean it never happens or that I will play victim just because I've not seen it. Grinding or chewing on anything can be detrimental dental wise. Not sure why cable would be any different. I've also seen dogs ruined their teeth with rocks, bowls, bones / antlers, chains, jolly balls, bricks, dog houses to name some but I've never heard of "rock mouth" or "jolly ball mouth". Kind of pointless to argue it won't happen simply because there isn't a name for it. My dog has broken cutters and damage because I left a metal bowl in her kennel when I left which she chewed up, cleary not without consequence.

Feel free to tell me how ignorant i am, not knowing any metal-rope-chewing dogs or their owners, & also how cruel, for thinking that anyone who secures a dog bigger than a Chihuahua with 1/4-inch wire cable is delusional.
Why the pity party? I stated my opinion and also asked for info, you turned it into an attack. Yes, I the person who suggest buying heavy duty cable and hardware to secure a dog think your so cruel! I won't use light store bought tie outs on my own dogs, where did I suggest anyone else should? Give me a break, your response doesn't even make sense. I'm not even following the delusional bit.

The vast majority of dogs that i've seen on tie-out trolleys aren't itty-bitty toys, they're typically in the Med-Lg range of 40 to 60#. // 1/4-inch cable, to secure a dog of that size, would look like string.
My friend that makes custom cable runs instead of using kennels has dogs which are in the 40s give or take. These are durable for all the time use. I won't use anything less than similar made for my own dogs for temporary, semi supervised use because I know they can withstand daily, constant use unlike pre packed stuff, that I don't trust. Looks like I'm repeating myself from previous post, but then you pretend that I stated the opposite of that out of no where.

I can't wring my hands over an issue that's never been raised. I've worked with many dogs who had a rock-chewing compulsion, & the consequent cracked & broken teeth, or who swallowed stones, & required surgery, & several who'd been kept in extreme confinement, & damaged their teeth trying to escape, or simply gnawing with boredom.
Not asking you to wring your hands, merely mentioned a possible issue.

I asked where you find 3/4" dog tie out? It was in a separate post (I did double post). You could be helpful here and provide info on a product available in retail will stores.
What you posted in the photos asking why I won't use pre packaged looks around 1/4" judging it to the rekative size of those snaps.
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Not as bad as my bowl eater.
The 2nd looks like a dog my ex got that played tug with chain yikes, just not as bad decay but ground down. She was malnourished younger too I believe.

Okay when you have time I'd like the info to find the cables.

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.Why not?
They vary slightly in quality, i'd want brass or bronze snaps [not nickel-plated or chromed steel, which will rust],
but otherwise, they're all practically identical -
nylon-coated metal cable for trolley & drop-line, a spring-coil to absorb impact, 2 stops so the dog can't run around the 'posts'.
The main issue I would have with those trolleys is the hardware. Not a fan of the flimsy looking spring. I wouldn't use chain or wire of that size to contain a dog of any size, and if the dog pulls the spring taut, that is essentially what it becomes. The turnbuckle on the one shown might be 1/4" diameter? Average WLL of one of those is 500 lbs. MUCH less than the cable. Both those components would have to be much beefier in order to be sensible for the size/strength of dog they are advertised for if used as a straight tie out- the saving grace is that with the trolley the force is more evenly distributed/dispersed between the length of the cable and two anchor points, but it's still careless manufacturing. I'm not really a fan of brass for tie out conditions, as it's soft and will wear fast when abused (ie: if dragged over any substrate/doghouse, or even brushed repeatedly against collar or tags), not familiar with bronze in that application. The other issue with the cables shown is that IF the dog stretches the cable sufficiently as to bend the eye tightly around the snap, that sort of tight flexion can weaken the cable significantly (up to 1/2 if the two are the same diameter). Might be better with a thimble in the eye, which also prevents some wear and crushing of the wires. I feel like the coating on some of these cables can go either way- does provide some abrasion resistance and you probably would find it difficult to use non-coated wire for pet securing purposes, but I have also seen moisture/condensation under said coating before, and you can't tell what state the cable is in under there. I would be fine putting my current dog on the trolleys pictured, but he is about the size of the cat pictured, and I wouldn't trust it with dogs like my previous large dogs.

they're straightforward to install, & surely sturdier than the 'nylon leash drop-line with a carabiner thru the wrist-loop' shown as a DIY for campers traveling in recreational-vehicles. ;)
Half the dogs i know would gnaw thru that leash in 20-minutes, working when nobody was watching them, & be off like a shot...
Nylon-coated cable can't be gnawed thru. :thumbsup:
I certainly wouldn't recommend the contraption you mention above for any dog who actually needed to be secured, unless within direct site of the owner. That said, dogs certainly can chew through cable, given time and lack of supervision.

Not unless it's super-cheap 1/4-inch. So much for 'durable' & well-made
Sure, dogs can gnaw off the coating, yes - 3/4-inch twisted metal strands under it, no.
MOST prefab cable tie outs or trolley systems are 1/4" or less diameter cable. The coating probably adds 1/8" to whatever the actual cable diameter is, so many are less than 1/4". Most don't even list a cable diameter on their product, just a "size range". Offhand, I can't even recall ever seeing off the shelf 3/8" cables for dogs. Total diameter for those would be nearing 1/2", and they would be pretty ungainly to manipulate, heavier than most pet owners want, and expensive for the length of time they would last. 3/4" cable would be incredibly stiff if used as a direct tie out, and super heavy for use as a runner (about 1lb/foot). Given that it still wears, corrodes, etc from exposure, probably not worth the extra expenditure when something much smaller will still be more than adequate to secure any dog, as long as you keep them from abusing it. Cable has to be "protected" compared to chain, which is the downside to the light weight. It doesn't like to be dragged, abraded, shock loaded, kinked, or twisted- all of which dogs are likely to do it it if used as a traditional tie out. IMO the only way to make it last is as a trolley off the ground.

FYI- if you sort of gnaw at cable with bolt (or better still, wire) cutters, a few strands at a time, you can make pretty short work of even 3/8" cable. I use it to secure my boat engine, and use several pieces for that reason. You don't need brute strength or leverage, just time.

The vast majority of dogs that i've seen on tie-out trolleys aren't itty-bitty toys, they're typically in the Med-Lg range of 40 to 60#. // 1/4-inch cable, to secure a dog of that size, would look like string.
Most tie out trolleys (including the ones you showed) use cable SMALLER than 1/4" in diameter (though they DO look like string! I believe the ones you chowed are probably closer to 1/8"). That said, most 1/4" cable has a breaking strength greater than 5,000lbs, so it's still stronger than any of the hardware on it!

I asked where you find 3/4" dog tie out?
You can get larger cable (also called wire rope) online, or through industrial/some hardware shops. Most of them will cut it to length and even splice/sleeve eyes or hardware in for you, though I would imagine some might charge for the service. I would recommend asking the merchant's advice on which size/type is best for your given project, as they may be able to recommend a specific type/size over others depending on what traits you need (flexibility, weight, durability).
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Okay when you have time I'd like the info to find the cables.
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Find what cables?

I installed ordinary, commercially-made, pre-packaged overhead trolleys.
I didn't custom-make some 1940s Packard version, with beefy hardware & cable double or more the thickness of OTC versions.

The only 'custom' cables I've had made for me, were for double-ended tethers to be installed on eye-bolts in baseboards.
I chose my cable, the dude at the Big-Box Home Improvement Store cut it, clamped the swiveling spring-clips on it, & i took it home. // It's been way-too long for me to recall what the thickness was, it's over 20-years ago. I just picked something substantial that wasn't ridiculously thick.
The tethers are under 2-ft long, they aren't running between posts & only serve as a station for the dog.

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.Why not?
They vary slightly in quality, i'd want brass or bronze snaps [not nickel-plated or chromed steel, which will rust],
but otherwise, they're all practically identical -
nylon-coated metal cable for trolley & drop-line, a spring-coil to absorb impact, 2 stops so the dog can't run around the 'posts'.
The main issue I would have with those trolleys is the hardware. Not a fan of the flimsy looking spring. I wouldn't use chain or wire of that size to contain a dog of any size, and if the dog pulls the spring taut, that is essentially what it becomes. The turnbuckle on the one shown might be 1/4" diameter? Average WLL of one of those is 500 lbs. MUCH less than the cable. Both those components would have to be much beefier in order to be sensible for the size/strength of dog they are advertised for if used as a straight tie out- the saving grace is that with the trolley the force is more evenly distributed/dispersed between the length of the cable and two anchor points, but it's still careless manufacturing. I'm not really a fan of brass for tie out conditions, as it's soft and will wear fast when abused (ie: if dragged over any substrate/doghouse, or even brushed repeatedly against collar or tags), not familiar with bronze in that application. The other issue with the cables shown is that IF the dog stretches the cable sufficiently as to bend the eye tightly around the snap, that sort of tight flexion can weaken the cable significantly (up to 1/2 if the two are the same diameter). Might be better with a thimble in the eye, which also prevents some wear and crushing of the wires. I feel like the coating on some of these cables can go either way- does provide some abrasion resistance and you probably would find it difficult to use non-coated wire for pet securing purposes, but I have also seen moisture/condensation under said coating before, and you can't tell what state the cable is in under there. I would be fine putting my current dog on the trolleys pictured, but he is about the size of the cat pictured, and I wouldn't trust it with dogs like my previous large dogs.

they're straightforward to install, & surely sturdier than the 'nylon leash drop-line with a carabiner thru the wrist-loop' shown as a DIY for campers traveling in recreational-vehicles.

Half the dogs i know would gnaw thru that leash in 20-minutes, working when nobody was watching them, & be off like a shot...
Nylon-coated cable can't be gnawed thru.
I certainly wouldn't recommend the contraption you mention above for any dog who actually needed to be secured, unless within direct site of the owner. That said, dogs certainly can chew through cable, given time and lack of supervision.

Not unless it's super-cheap 1/4-inch. So much for 'durable' & well-made
Sure, dogs can gnaw off the coating, yes - 3/4-inch twisted metal strands under it, no.
MOST prefab cable tie outs or trolley systems are 1/4" or less diameter cable. The coating probably adds 1/8" to whatever the actual cable diameter is, so many are less than 1/4". Most don't even list a cable diameter on their product, just a "size range". Offhand, I can't even recall ever seeing off the shelf 3/8" cables for dogs. Total diameter for those would be nearing 1/2", and they would be pretty ungainly to manipulate, heavier than most pet owners want, and expensive for the length of time they would last. 3/4" cable would be incredibly stiff if used as a direct tie out, and super heavy for use as a runner (about 1lb/foot). Given that it still wears, corrodes, etc from exposure, probably not worth the extra expenditure when something much smaller will still be more than adequate to secure any dog, as long as you keep them from abusing it. Cable has to be "protected" compared to chain, which is the downside to the light weight. It doesn't like to be dragged, abraded, shock loaded, kinked, or twisted- all of which dogs are likely to do it it if used as a traditional tie out. IMO the only way to make it last is as a trolley off the ground.

FYI- if you sort of gnaw at cable with bolt (or better still, wire) cutters, a few strands at a time, you can make pretty short work of even 3/8" cable. I use it to secure my boat engine, and use several pieces for that reason. You don't need brute strength or leverage, just time.

The vast majority of dogs that i've seen on tie-out trolleys aren't itty-bitty toys, they're typically in the Med-Lg range of 40 to 60#. // 1/4-inch cable, to secure a dog of that size, would look like string.
Most tie out trolleys (including the ones you showed) use cable SMALLER than 1/4" in diameter (though they DO look like string! I believe the ones you chowed are probably closer to 1/8"). That said, most 1/4" cable has a breaking strength greater than 5,000lbs, so it's still stronger than any of the hardware on it!

I asked where you find 3/4" dog tie out?
You can get larger cable (also called wire rope) online, or through industrial/some hardware shops. Most of them will cut it to length and even splice/sleeve eyes or hardware in for you, though I would imagine some might charge for the service. I would recommend asking the merchant's advice on which size/type is best for your given project, as they may be able to recommend a specific type/size over others depending on what traits you need (flexibility, weight, durability).
Thank you for this post! I couldn't figure out how my post could be so misconstrued nor how anyone could suggest the pre packaged set up (yet claim 3/4) the stuff looks 1/4 - 5/16, they are closed to same diameter of the snaps. I much prefer chain for extended use out unsupervised, but a custom cable run can work pretty good

RE: 3/4 cable can be had from my local farm supply store or big hardware chain store... what I was asking Terry is where are they finding these supposed 3/4 pre packed pet cables / trolley systems that I've never seen. Including one labeled for dogs up to 50lbs and another for 85lbs.
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OP, before my girl had a good recall, I used something like this: https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/centaur-cotton-web-lunge-line-w-donut-4496

Mine doesn't have the donut at the end though. I didn't stake it down... I'd hold it or let her drag it but I could grab it if I needed to.

I do have a fenced in backyard but we like to live life outside of the fence! :)
3/4 inch cable would be enormous...... Like as big around as my thumb.
Although lugging that around would result in one heck of a muscular dog!!
These tie outs used to be very popular in my area. Have seen dogs chew through braided metal cables. They grind the cable in the back of their mouths. One strand lets go at a time. They cant just bite through the cable, but can 100% work their way through each strand by grinding it.
Once the coating is chewed, water gets into it and is trapped between the cable and coating, the cable starts to corrode from the inside.
Just putting that out there.......
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