You can use the long cable like you see on Amazon and you can also make a cable run using line and pulleys.
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Didn't mean for it to be confusing, though I'm having the same problem with your post..
I'm not sure if this is meant to describe a combination of the 2? -
IOW, install a zip-line with an overhead trolley, & then put a long-cable on the trolley, instead of a short vertical drop-cable, to clip onto the dog's collar.
A long-cable on a trolley creates the same hazards as a tie-out at ground-level -
it tangles around obstacles, it can overturn the only water-source, or it can kink & shorten, but even-more dangerously, it allows the dog to BUILD MOMENTUM on a long run, then run out of cable, & hit the end of the line with jarring force, possibly causing serious injury.
Just like a Gentle Leader headcollar, which cannot be combined with a long-line nor with an extending leash / retractable reel / Flexi, some combinations of tools create hazards for dogs, & a long cable on an overhead trolley is one of them - the longer the cable, the shorter the trolley must be, as the posts at each end are meant to be blocked-off so the dog can't encircle them, & get stuck.
If U have a long narrow yard, with a solid wall or a privacy fence at the far end, a short trolley going side-to-side with a long line would still not be as safe or as usable as a trolley going the length of the narrow yard, if that makes sense?
If i've misinterpreted, i apologize - I'm just not sure how the 2 go together, or maybe U install both separately?![]()
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I personally don't like cables (tangled, knitting, kinking even with short period use) but they can work okay and might be an option for the OP.
For clarification......
1. A lunge line
2. A long cable
3. A cable run
Would all be options for someone without a fence wishing to play outdoors with their dog.
This seems like you're contradicting yourself.
"IOW, install a zip-line with an overhead trolley, & then put a long-cable on the trolley, instead of a short vertical drop-cable, to clip onto the dog's collar.
A long-cable on a trolley creates the same hazards as a tie-out at ground-level -
it tangles around obstacles, it can overturn the only water-source, or it can kink & shorten..."
You said to use a long cable in the 1st paragraph.
In the 2nd paragraph you said it creates hazards.
I myself was also replying to the OPs situation to help them. Sounds to me like they are looking for options for supervised play with their future dog. The dog wouldn't need a water source like a dog being left tied out for long periods / unsupervised, I don't think they are going to put a water bowl in the path of their fetch game. If the dog becomes tangled the owner would again be there, though the obvious prevention is having a clear area for your tie out area.
Even when leaving a dog unsupervised basic common sense. I've not had the issue of spilling the water source, I'm not saying that never happens but the person would have to put it in a silly location. The area should always be free of obstacles. I've seen dogs that got tangled or wrapped around things because of lazy owners or whatever.
Yes think I get what you mean. Though I'd never trust a pre packaged one myself..
@SpicyBulldog -
the confusion is - i think!, i could be wrong - easily clarified.![]()
A "long-cable connected to an overhead trolley" was what I thought YOU were suggesting -
the short vertical-cable that comes packaged with the trolley, is the one that I would use - & is also what i'd suggest.![]()
All clear, now?
- terry
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I really don't find people's dogs escaping or ruining their teeth funny. I think I pointed out not durable or reliable, hence one reason I wouldn't personally use them. There are several. As well as chewing on the coating (which some dogs like to do) still has hazards..
Not unless it's super-cheap 1/4-inch.So much for 'durable' & well-made,![]()
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Sure, dogs can gnaw off the coating, yes - 3/4-inch twisted metal strands under it, no.![]()
Unless U have one of those hardened-steel jaw dogs, that cut padlocks from hasps for fun, in their spare time?![]()
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218978&stc=1&d=1512017372
[Even bolt-cutters have a hard time slicing cable thicker than 1/4-inch. Some can manage 3/16ths.]
- terry
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How many average dog owners do you know who are knowledgeable about dog containment? Or have someone with knowledge they can go to? How many even care or just buy the cable (or cable run) equipment commercially available for dogs. A lot of which is not very thick. Then there is the other failures that cab Halen regardless of if being chewed through or not.
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How did I guilt trip you? I see people do a lot of "ridiculous" things when containing their dogs. Using a tiny, twist chain with bendable snap on an adult male Pit Bull is ridiculous, but the lady on my street did it. He broke those snaps numerous times! The ACO used to just take him home lol. That's if they were even called, everyone in the neighborhood knew where he lived. Putting multiple large dogs in a weak and broken fence and they surprise - escape. The list is endless..
oh, for pity's sake, Spicy.Tying-out a dog on the equivalent of metal embroidery-floss is ridiculous -![]()
& may i remind U, these are all hypothetical dogs. Guilt-tripping me is pointless.
I accept that, but it's a logical conclusion and shouldn't be unbelievable.
Never had a dog ruin their teeth on a tennis ball, ever. Not heard of it, on a jolly ball yes, tennis ball no. Doesn't mean it never happens or that I will play victim just because I've not seen it. Grinding or chewing on anything can be detrimental dental wise. Not sure why cable would be any different. I've also seen dogs ruined their teeth with rocks, bowls, bones / antlers, chains, jolly balls, bricks, dog houses to name some but I've never heard of "rock mouth" or "jolly ball mouth". Kind of pointless to argue it won't happen simply because there isn't a name for it. My dog has broken cutters and damage because I left a metal bowl in her kennel when I left which she chewed up, cleary not without consequence.
Why the pity party? I stated my opinion and also asked for info, you turned it into an attack. Yes, I the person who suggest buying heavy duty cable and hardware to secure a dog think your so cruel! I won't use light store bought tie outs on my own dogs, where did I suggest anyone else should? Give me a break, your response doesn't even make sense. I'm not even following the delusional bit.
My friend that makes custom cable runs instead of using kennels has dogs which are in the 40s give or take. These are durable for all the time use. I won't use anything less than similar made for my own dogs for temporary, semi supervised use because I know they can withstand daily, constant use unlike pre packed stuff, that I don't trust. Looks like I'm repeating myself from previous post, but then you pretend that I stated the opposite of that out of no where.
Not asking you to wring your hands, merely mentioned a possible issue.
I asked where you find 3/4" dog tie out? It was in a separate post (I did double post). You could be helpful here and provide info on a product available in retail will stores.
What you posted in the photos asking why I won't use pre packaged looks around 1/4" judging it to the rekative size of those snaps.
Thank you for this post! I couldn't figure out how my post could be so misconstrued nor how anyone could suggest the pre packaged set up (yet claim 3/4) the stuff looks 1/4 - 5/16, they are closed to same diameter of the snaps. I much prefer chain for extended use out unsupervised, but a custom cable run can work pretty goodThe main issue I would have with those trolleys is the hardware. Not a fan of the flimsy looking spring. I wouldn't use chain or wire of that size to contain a dog of any size, and if the dog pulls the spring taut, that is essentially what it becomes. The turnbuckle on the one shown might be 1/4" diameter? Average WLL of one of those is 500 lbs. MUCH less than the cable. Both those components would have to be much beefier in order to be sensible for the size/strength of dog they are advertised for if used as a straight tie out- the saving grace is that with the trolley the force is more evenly distributed/dispersed between the length of the cable and two anchor points, but it's still careless manufacturing. I'm not really a fan of brass for tie out conditions, as it's soft and will wear fast when abused (ie: if dragged over any substrate/doghouse, or even brushed repeatedly against collar or tags), not familiar with bronze in that application. The other issue with the cables shown is that IF the dog stretches the cable sufficiently as to bend the eye tightly around the snap, that sort of tight flexion can weaken the cable significantly (up to 1/2 if the two are the same diameter). Might be better with a thimble in the eye, which also prevents some wear and crushing of the wires. I feel like the coating on some of these cables can go either way- does provide some abrasion resistance and you probably would find it difficult to use non-coated wire for pet securing purposes, but I have also seen moisture/condensation under said coating before, and you can't tell what state the cable is in under there. I would be fine putting my current dog on the trolleys pictured, but he is about the size of the cat pictured, and I wouldn't trust it with dogs like my previous large dogs.
I certainly wouldn't recommend the contraption you mention above for any dog who actually needed to be secured, unless within direct site of the owner. That said, dogs certainly can chew through cable, given time and lack of supervision.they're straightforward to install, & surely sturdier than the 'nylon leash drop-line with a carabiner thru the wrist-loop' shown as a DIY for campers traveling in recreational-vehicles.![]()
Half the dogs i know would gnaw thru that leash in 20-minutes, working when nobody was watching them, & be off like a shot...
Nylon-coated cable can't be gnawed thru.![]()
MOST prefab cable tie outs or trolley systems are 1/4" or less diameter cable. The coating probably adds 1/8" to whatever the actual cable diameter is, so many are less than 1/4". Most don't even list a cable diameter on their product, just a "size range". Offhand, I can't even recall ever seeing off the shelf 3/8" cables for dogs. Total diameter for those would be nearing 1/2", and they would be pretty ungainly to manipulate, heavier than most pet owners want, and expensive for the length of time they would last. 3/4" cable would be incredibly stiff if used as a direct tie out, and super heavy for use as a runner (about 1lb/foot). Given that it still wears, corrodes, etc from exposure, probably not worth the extra expenditure when something much smaller will still be more than adequate to secure any dog, as long as you keep them from abusing it. Cable has to be "protected" compared to chain, which is the downside to the light weight. It doesn't like to be dragged, abraded, shock loaded, kinked, or twisted- all of which dogs are likely to do it it if used as a traditional tie out. IMO the only way to make it last is as a trolley off the ground.
FYI- if you sort of gnaw at cable with bolt (or better still, wire) cutters, a few strands at a time, you can make pretty short work of even 3/8" cable. I use it to secure my boat engine, and use several pieces for that reason. You don't need brute strength or leverage, just time.
Most tie out trolleys (including the ones you showed) use cable SMALLER than 1/4" in diameter (though they DO look like string! I believe the ones you chowed are probably closer to 1/8"). That said, most 1/4" cable has a breaking strength greater than 5,000lbs, so it's still stronger than any of the hardware on it!
You can get larger cable (also called wire rope) online, or through industrial/some hardware shops. Most of them will cut it to length and even splice/sleeve eyes or hardware in for you, though I would imagine some might charge for the service. I would recommend asking the merchant's advice on which size/type is best for your given project, as they may be able to recommend a specific type/size over others depending on what traits you need (flexibility, weight, durability).
RE: 3/4 cable can be had from my local farm supply store or big hardware chain store... what I was asking Terry is where are they finding these supposed 3/4 pre packed pet cables / trolley systems that I've never seen. Including one labeled for dogs up to 50lbs and another for 85lbs.
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