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What age or what signs of development to look out for before moving puppy out of your bedroom at night.

1.2K views 12 replies 6 participants last post by  Madra Anamchara  
#1 ·
Hiya,

Just the question above really. Nina is a cavapoo and I have heard they’re prone to separation anxiety. Right now, she’s only 13 weeks. It’s true that she freaks out if I leave the room for a second, but I think that’s just because she’s a tiny baby. Currently, she sleeps in her crate, in my room. However, I’d rather she didn’t sleep in my room forever, especially because I tend to wake up to go to the loo in the night, and every time I do, she wakes up and wants to go. Last night, I deprived myself of water for several hours before bed, and we both slept through - but I’d rather not be perpetually thirsty. And I also don’t want to train night time waking into Nina.

Also, I’d rather she grew into a confident adult dog who could be left for short periods, and had the resources to deal with that, so I guess my second question is when to start building up her alone time? She’s already fine as long as she’s the one who’s wandered off, and she is free to come back whenever she wants. And also, I’ve been feeding the rabbits while she’s distracted with dinner and she’s fine with that too - until she finishes, looks for me, and meets the stair gate. Then she is not.

Anyway, I just googled when to move puppy out of your room, and the first posts all said, “within the first week”. But she is so little! That can’t be right, is it? She would cry all night, I think. I was thinking of an age in months… So, given that, I don’t particularly want to trust Google on the more general alone time question either.

What do people here do? I’ve seen the advice for gradually moving the crate to the door. Does this work, in your experience? And when should I start? Should I really have started already?
 
#3 ·
A great example of why not to believe everything you read online. I agree with Joanne that she is much too young for that, and I would never move a puppy out of the bedroom after only a week.

Of course, I personally sleep with my dogs, so I don't move them out at all. I think that once your puppy is a mature dog there will be no problem having her in the bedroom if you change your mind and decide to let her be there. Maybe you can eventually let her have the run of your home at night and she will decide where she wants to sleep.

But for now, you definitely want to wait until she is fully and completely potty trained, and has gained a lot of confidence in being alone. When that time comes, there shouldn't be any need to move the crate slowly closer to the bedroom door or anything like that.
 
#4 ·
Got it! I thought it seemed wrong, and I really didn’t want to do it (and wasn’t going to). I am hoping to get to a point with Nina where I can let her in my room sometimes but not others, and have that not be confusing and unfair. E.g. for her to be able to come up to the bedroom door at night, and see it closed, and sleep elsewhere, without that seeming like a major injustice, or a confusing rejection. I think we’re a long way off that, though, and it will come after she’s used to sleeping elsewhere every single night. (Then my room can be occasionally reintroduced.)
 
#5 ·
After puppyhood, my dog slept in various places around the house (probably depending on the temperature). He would sometimes come to our bedroom and we would waken, and always took him out to toilet in case that was his reason for coming. However about two, maybe three years ago he started sleeping outside our bedroom; so I moved one of his beds next to ours (in the bedroom) and he has slept there ever since. As a bonus, he's never woken us in the night since.
 
#7 ·
Nina’s favourite bed is actually in the kitchen. I think it’s because it’s the one I made with the fancier, super soft, expensive, microfibre plush lining. All the others have a still-very-soft standard plush lining. But she doesn’t really sleep there, she just sort of rolls about on it, and sits on it wherever possible, and takes her toys there to build a hoard. Still, when she isn’t always sleeping either in her crate or on me, I can imagine that becoming the bed of choice, regardless of where it is in the house.
 
#6 ·
My bet is that when Nina is mature and you and she have a well established trusting relationship, her sleeping in the bedroom or not will not be a big issue.
But of course, this depends on how attached she may get to sleeping in there with you. I had a dog who was completely confident and well bonded to me, but when I tried to shut him out of the bedroom at one point because someone I was dating didn't want dogs in the bed, he let me know in no uncertain terms that it was Completely Unacceptable for him not to be permitted in the bedroom!! So, it's hard to say how it will go for you and your dog.
(By the way, the dog stayed and the person I was dating was eventually kicked to the curb)
 
#8 ·
Ha! Everyone I’ve ever dated has been at least as animal-loving as me, if not more. But, I’m a chronic insomniac, and I already know that on particularly restless nights, I’ll want to be free to get up, turn lights on, make noise, wander about etc - and would rather just have my room to myself in my wakefulness.
 
#9 ·
I diverge from many recommendations in that I don't normally use a crate once the puppy is potty trained enough to be allowed to sleep outside the crate. By that measure the answer would be 7-8 months. I keep baby gates on key doorways throughout the house. The baby gates are in place to contain messes and to keep the pups out of trouble as well as to facilitate housebreaking. Thus, by the time one of my pups is 8 months old, he is quite familiar with the concept of being restricted to a certain room for a period of time. They get locked out of the bedroom for at least part of the night in winter; I draw the line at sharing the bed with a muddy wet dog with snowballs stuck to his legs. The boys sleep in the hall, one of their dog beds, or the sofa when I'm being mean like that.
 
#10 ·
I had one dog that loved his crate so much, that I moved it into the bedroom, and took the door off after his puppy hood ended. At night he would round up his favorite toys and put them inside he crate before conking out, beside them. He was very headstrong Beagle dog.
 
#11 ·
My dogs sleep in the bedroom with me all their lives, but right now I have an older girl who can no longer do stairs, and my bedroom is on the second floor. When it got to where the stairs were a problem, I simply left her downstairs on her dog bed instead of helping her up the stairs one night, and she accepted that without fuss. That may be because she recognized her own disability and no longer liked attempting stairs. The fact she's not a dependent, ultra-clingy dog probably contributed.

Anyway, I'm not sure having a dependent, clingy type sleep in a crate beside the bed (my younger dog is that type) makes them any more clingy. Fussing when left in daytime strikes me as a separate behavior, not related to nighttime habits. I can't argue I know that's true but no one could talk me into putting a baby puppy off by itself somewhere.
 
#12 ·
Thank you to everyone! I’m glad to hear my instincts weren’t too far off, and I can keep Nina with me for a while longer. She is getting more and more confident in various ways (e.g. taking herself off to other rooms, knowing she can come back to me, and not being timid even at first with the dog sitter when I had a doctor’s appointment this morning). But I feel she’s a long way off total separation yet, even just for a night.

I’m also finding it interesting to hear how everyone else does things with their dogs. It gives me a much better sense of what’s normal (which you don’t get with just one person’s input, unless you want to copy their schedule and routine in every particular).

I’m guessing people may have noticed I’m quite an anxious person, and worry a lot about doing things “right”. So, it’s good to have somewhere I can come and ask questions.
 
#13 ·
I’m guessing people may have noticed I’m quite an anxious person, and worry a lot about doing things “right”. So, it’s good to have somewhere I can come and ask questions.
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to do things right. It's good to get input from others.

I have had, trained, fostered, and worked with dogs for decades and I am no beginner when it comes to dogs. But I still get input from others I respect whenever there's something going on with one of my dogs that I don't feel I fully understand.

I always want to be sure that I am getting as much information as I can from good sources, and then combining that with my own knowledge and close observation of my dogs. Asking for input is a big part of that and it's far better to do that than to be a person who thinks they already know it all.
I think you should never feel hesitant to ask questions here or anywhere else that you feel can give you good feedback.