[MaloreyAnimal]

What friends and family may tell Jarek is not bad, it could just be different. Like how generations usually have different views and information on things, country to country may as well. (As in case you didn't notice he is from Estonia, while most talking here are from America )

Now, I just kinda skimmed this last posts on this page, but I just thought I'd throw my tiny 2 cents in over that. I really have not a clue what is being spoke of otherwise.

And I'll admit, OES I rarely see ever out doing what they may have been bred for. I mostly see them showing.

 

[Gordon]

It was both a guardian dog and herding dog.

"The history of the Old English Sheepdog is intertwined with the bygone days of the drovers.........The type of dog a drover needed was one with stamina, steadiness and the temperament that would see off any predators, would stand its ground against any rogue beast and would see off man attack by a bull or ox intent on mischief towards the drovers."

From the breed club.

 

[Gunwy]

that is not a dog.....it's a bear XD and its chewing someones head!!

 

[fawkese1]

an OES could be used as a guard dog the same as a GSD (another herding breed) could, but it is not the same as a flock guardian, even if you used them to guard your flock, it still wouldn't be the same. herding is basically stalking, (like hunting) dogs that do that couldn't really live with the flock in the same way as a livestock guardian...

i know that it sounds like semantics, but if you spend any time observing how a herding breed moves through a flock/herd compared to how a livestock guardian breed does, the differences are obvious... the way that the flock/herd responds to them alone shows a huge difference...

not to mention that these breeds are very independent in comparison to herding dogs...

 

[GreatDaneMom]

GreatDaneMom you post is not for respect. I tell to you my family breed guardian dog for many generation long in 1800 and you ignore post. I know what is guard dog and what is guardian dog. I am not a dum man and I am not rude for you when I write post.
Jarek

i did not mean that to be rude. i mean that you will learn more if you do the research yourself. so far you have just compared every dog to YOUR dogs, and an OES is not the same as a caucasion or sarplanic....

an OES could be used as a guard dog the same as a GSD (another herding breed) could, but it is not the same as a flock guardian, even if you used them to guard your flock, it still wouldn't be the same. herding is basically stalking, (like hunting) dogs that do that couldn't really live with the flock in the same way as a livestock guardian...

i know that it sounds like semantics, but if you spend any time observing how a herding breed moves through a flock/herd compared to how a livestock guardian breed does, the differences are obvious... the way that the flock/herd responds to them alone shows a huge difference...

not to mention that these breeds are very independent in comparison to herding dogs...

thank you! im glad someone understands!

 

[Gordon]

an OES could be used as a guard dog the same as a GSD (another herding breed) could, but it is not the same as a flock guardian, even if you used them to guard your flock, it still wouldn't be the same. herding is basically stalking, (like hunting) dogs that do that couldn't really live with the flock in the same way as a livestock guardian...

i know that it sounds like semantics, but if you spend any time observing how a herding breed moves through a flock/herd compared to how a livestock guardian breed does, the differences are obvious... the way that the flock/herd responds to them alone shows a huge difference...

not to mention that these breeds are very independent in comparison to herding dogs...

True--it's very obvious when you can observe the behavioral differences between Pyrs and Border Collies on a farm. In my family's case, typically the herders aren't left alone with the goats for any extended period of time, though, whereas the Pyrs are on duty 24/7.

In any case, I don't pretend to be a breed expert on the OES by any means, but a there is some definite confusion on the interwebs regarding herding vs. LGD on this one.

The AKC calls it herding, so I would call that its primary function unless some new groundbreaking information shows up.

 

[Esme]

True--it's very obvious when you can observe the behavioral differences between Pyrs and Border Collies on a farm. In my family's case, typically the herders aren't left alone with the goats for any extended period of time, though, whereas the Pyrs are on duty 24/7.

In any case, I don't pretend to be a breed expert on the OES by any means, but a there is some definite confusion on the interwebs regarding herding vs. LGD on this one.

The AKC calls it herding, so I would call that its primary function unless some new groundbreaking information shows up.

I completely agree with Gordon and Fawkese

 

[Jarek]

go do some research on the breed on stop relying just on what your friends and family tell you. you will learn a lot more of the correct information.

i did not mean that to be rude. i mean that you will learn more if you do the research yourself.

GreatDaneMom I read this quote you post many time now this post is ignorant and rude for me because first you ignore what I tell to you and second you tell to me dont listen to my relatives. this tell to me you dont want me to respect my ancestor when my relatives breed dog from long time. now I ask from you this question. from where you think to your self people get information first time from. people breed dog long time before book and then people write book for diferent reason maybe for own purpose like money and people make mistake when write book because all language not translate good and true from language spoke and then give diferent meaning. this is problem of all world. but I give to you eg sample sarplaninac I keep now people tell to me is not true sarplaninac. book tell of same fact of matter also. dog breed have problem from long history from diferent people and fight because every one tell to all world sarplaninac their dog. some people want sarplaninac to be bad and angry dog for people and breed dog to be bad and angry. some want sarplaninac to be good and kind dog for people like illryian people tell to all world sarplaninac is gentle giant. I dont know any more what is true to believe. my granfather he is 97 tell to me truth same like fact is lost to time and history always and so people always have doubt and arguement for these things.
Jarek

 

[GreatDaneMom]

GreatDaneMom I read this quote you post many time now this post is ignorant and rude for me because first you ignore what I tell to you and second you tell to me dont listen to my relatives. this tell to me you dont want me to respect my ancestor when my relatives breed dog from long time. now I ask from you this question. from where you think to your self people get information first time from. people breed dog long time before book and then people write book for diferent reason maybe for own purpose like money and people make mistake when write book because all language not translate good and true from language spoke and then give diferent meaning. this is problem of all world. but I give to you eg sample sarplaninac I keep now people tell to me is not true sarplaninac. book tell of same fact of matter also. dog breed have problem from long history from diferent people and fight because every one tell to all world sarplaninac their dog. some people want sarplaninac to be bad and angry dog for people and breed dog to be bad and angry. some want sarplaninac to be good and kind dog for people like illryian people tell to all world sarplaninac is gentle giant. I dont know any more what is true to believe. my granfather he is 97 tell to me truth same like fact is lost to time and history always and so people always have doubt and arguement for these things.
Jarek

jarek. im not arguing with you. you can take things however you want to. i really dont care anymore. there are more breeds out there than the sarplanic, but because thats what you have thats all you talk about and compare things to. you dont know about all breeds based on ONE breed. you need to actually do research and start working with other breeds to understand and learn about them and the differences they all have. so... im done reading your posts. im just not going to aggravate myself with it anymore.

 

[Jarek]

GreatDaneMom only I have sarplaninac my relative s have other breed dog.s some diferent from others same like some frends. you dont read all my post properly and I think to my self this my fault maybe. but you dont still answer my question I ask from you.
Also I never make sarplaninac like other dog because sarplaninac not like other dog. I dont know from where you read this fact of matter.
today I learn new word assert and I think to my self maybe you want to assert you authority because you think to your self you read from book and book must be right always. but this not always true fact of matter.
I think to myself you stubborn maybe and this is not you problem but my problem.

GreatDaneMom I take time and care to write best english I can but you dont take same time to read from same care and read only fact of matter you think to your self important.

Jarek

 

[Criosphynx]

I think we've more than made our points here.




All done thanks for playing