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Intermittent demand barking

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#1 ·
Hiya,

I’ve had some advice on this before, and I’m trying it, but it’s not having much of an effect. Nina’s demand barking seems to be worsening, not improving - even though I never give into her.

At least, if she barks to say she’s done with her nap, and wants out of her crate, I wait for a quiet lull and then let her out, or otherwise she works herself up. And this is part of the problem. Previously our schedule had her sleeping nearly until dinner time. Now, she gets tired and sleepy at the same time - but she wakes up sooner, and refuses to go back to sleep. I’m finding that for the entire hour before dinner time, she’s barking intermittently, scratching at the food cupboard, and doing her, “I need to go out” attitude, before leading me instead to the cupboard where her food is.

I’ve been trying to teach her “quiet”, as advised here, but the problem is, she doesn’t bark continuously. So, it’s really hard to be clear that you’re rewarding her stopping barking. She barks loudly once, then stares meaningfully at you for a minute or two. Then barks loudly again. So, it’s really hard to get the message across that “this treat is for not barking”. The short, sharp bark is basically over before I reach her - but it does cut through your skull!

She also barks like mad when I am eating. We have nearly resolved it when I eat at the kitchen table, but it is a huge struggle when I try to eat on the sofa (which I prefer). She’s only just grown big enough to actually jump on the sofa herself- so previously she would bark and I would ignore her and keep eating but now she will bark and crawl into my lap and try to take sneaky bites. Again, she’s never been rewarded for this (except once when she barked so loud I startled, and some cheese fell on the floor. But I got nearly all of it before she did…). I do give her a distraction at these times but really it’s only food that keeps her attention and there’s only so much of that I can give in one day. She finishes her puzzle toys far faster than I finish a meal.

She has also begun barking when I’m working and she’s bored. Again, she has all the toys I can think of, and we train every day and go on either two or three good walks and have two decent playtime sessions… But she doesn’t like to play alone (and I have to get work done).

If it is sunny, she barks to go outside at all times, and most our toilet training accidents are when I haven’t realised her bark has changed from a demand bark, to a toilet bark. (I always take her outside on the first bark, and see if she needs to go - but sometimes she really keeps at it, and I don’t realise the situation has changed.) Also, on sunny days, I leave the back door open, so it’s probably more accurate to say, she barks because she wants me to go out with her…

Bless her, she’s loving and intelligent and communicative, but I think sometimes she thinks I’m an absolute idiot, and just don’t understand her message. (E.g. I gave her a chew toy with some peanut butter on it once, as a treat, and every five minutes for the rest of the day she would bark and try to get me to go with her, and when I did, she would lead me up to the counter where I’d prepared the treat…).

I’m making it sound worse than it is - she gives up eventually and just flops on her bed giving me puppy dog eyes. But it is really getting on my nerves. Is there a different way to teach quiet for this kind of intermittent barking? Or, the trainer says we’ll learn “settle” next week. Is that likely to help? It is so frustrating - and actually, kind of throws my timings off if I have to wait for her to stop barking before doing the things I was planning to do at around that time anyway!

Bless her, her dinner time is still half an hour away and she’s been barking at me on and off for the last half hour but is now flopped on my feet looking tragic.
 
#2 ·
I wonder if you could simply move dinner time up an hour if she starts barking for dinner an hour earlier. That's what I ended up doing, when all my animals started demanding dinner earlier. The only possible problem is that once you do that, sometimes they will start asking for it earlier and earlier. But I have nipped that in the bud by refusing to give dinner more than an hour earlier than the usual time (4 instead of 5PM) and they eventually stopped trying.

When I am eating, if a dog misbehaves by barking or getting up on the couch and demanding my food (I eat on the couch also), and will not stop when I request that they stop, then that animal simply gets put out of the room, into another room, with the door closed. 5 minutes later they get let out again, but as soon as they start to bark at me or interrupt my meal in any way, they once again have to leave the room for another 5 minutes. They have always quickly decided that being in the same room with me and my food was preferable, and learned to be quiet and not bug me.

I do the same thing if I am working on something or otherwise need not to be interrupted.

I have a very demanding and energetic young dog who typically likes to try to get me to play with him many times a day. Many times a day I do play with him but if I am in the middle of something I just say "Not right now" and after that I ignore whatever the dog is doing. If baring were to continue I'd put the dog into the other room.

In your case, with one bark and then a minute goes by and another bark, I think I would choose just to ignore it.

Of course, it's very important to be able to distinguish between demands which I may or may not satisfy this moment, and an actual need such as to go outside.

In your case with Luna, she is still a baby, you haven't been together very long, and that level of specific understanding and communication is still developing. It will develop fully though, and you'll learn exactly what she is saying to you and she will learn not to keep bugging you if you say "not right now" (or whatever phrase you decide on).
 
#3 ·
One other thing..............my young dog loves to be outside. Of course he learned to ask me to let him go out to potty, but then as a puppy figured he could use the same technique to get me to let him out any time to run around, and he'd ask me for that multiple times a day.

I have mostly trained that away by asking him directly if he needs to go potty. And if he says he does, we go outside on a leash, not running free in the yard, and I take him to the place he usually uses to do his business. I just stand there with him. If he doesn't go potty within 5 minutes we come back in again. So he has learned that it doesn't get him play time in the backyard to keep demanding that I let him out.

(Of course, he does get free time to run in the yard, just on a certain rather loose schedule and not 20 times during the day!)
 
#4 ·
One other thing..............my young dog loves to be outside. Of course he learned to ask me to let him go out to potty, but then as a puppy figured he could use the same technique to get me to let him out any time to run around, and he'd ask me for that multiple times a day.

I have mostly trained that away by asking him directly if he needs to go potty. And if he says he does, we go outside on a leash, not running free in the yard, and I take him to the place he usually uses to do his business. I just stand there with him. If he doesn't go potty within 5 minutes we come back in again. So he has learned that it doesn't get him play time in the backyard to keep demanding that I let him out.

(Of course, he does get free time to run in the yard, just on a certain rather loose schedule and not 20 times during the day!)
Some good ideas here, thank you! She absolutely detests being put in another room, but with eating in the kitchen, I managed some success by moving her away from me to her “place”. Even though she wouldn’t stay there long, I did it every time she barked and eventually she got the idea. I don’t know why i didn’t think of that in the living room, unless it’s because I’m just too tired to think!

It’s weirdly really hard to ignore. She’s just so loud for such a small dog. It goes right through you. And then, she has no rhythm - it’s at completely random intervals, so it’s startling every single time. You can’t get used to it! I used to teach, and my automatic reflex is to turn and do teacher face at her (you know, raised eyebrows, widened eyes, very straight mouth - to convey, “I am both shocked and appalled by your disrespect.”). Which is, of course, attention. So, deeply unhelpful! I need to change my reflexes.

She would definitely take her demand earlier if I moved dinner earlier - because one day I got worn down and let her have it in a lull, at quarter to six instead of six. The next day she started barking at half past four. It’s as though she can actually tell the time. (They can’t can they?!)
 
#5 ·
They can tell time well enough to know what time it is if that time is associated with a certain thing. Go out, go for walk, brush teeth, food, etc. It's amazing to me how exactly they all know, on the dot of 5PM or 6AM or whatever time is the routine. Any time of year, so it's not dependent on the light outside.

I know it's hard to ignore. But yes, you have been somewhat reinforcing her barking by turning to give her a look. After all, that is attention, which is what she wants.
 
#6 ·
I’ve mostly stopped now! It’s just when she catches me off guard. I didn’t actually realise how forcefully I’d hammered that reflex into myself, in schools… But I suppose I worked in them in various roles for just a little bit too long!