Is he eligible to be shown in UKC? If so, have you done it? What were the results? A UKC judge is probably better able to assess your dog's merits than random people on the internet.

If your dog is not eligible to be shown in UKC, my opinion is do not breed. Pitbulls in general are more likely than the average dog to end up in an abuse situation and more likely to end up in rescue. Don't make messes for the rest of society to deal with.

Show breeders have a bit more ability to pick and choose who they sell to than backyard breeders. If you do show, and if you do have some success, your program is still going nowhere without a female. So you'll have to get one. As you start your program, what would be your goals? What do YOU think his merits are? What are his faults? What traits in a female would complement his traits, and what would you want to improve?

 

Is he eligible to be shown in UKC? If so, have you done it? What were the results? A UKC judge is probably better able to assess your dog's merits than random people on the internet.

If your dog is not eligible to be shown in UKC, my opinion is do not breed. Pitbulls in general are more likely than the average dog to end up in an abuse situation and more likely to end up in rescue. Don't make messes for the rest of society to deal with.

Show breeders have a bit more ability to pick and choose who they sell to than backyard breeders. If you do show, and if you do have some success, your program is still going nowhere without a female. So you'll have to get one. As you start your program, what would be your goals? What do YOU think his merits are? What are his faults? What traits in a female would complement his traits, and what would you want to improve?

Scarface is dual registered ABKC and UKC. Merle bullies weren't allowed to be shown until recently, which is why I haven't been able to do so yet. I was moreso posting out of curiosity, that's all 😊 he is very well known in my area as multiple other breeders use him, and I didn't know if him being well known would cloud people's general judgement with him, if that makes sense.

He is health tested and has good hip and elbow scores. I temperament test the pups before they go to their forever homes. He's already produced multiple litters, all of which end up in homes that are thoroughly vetted and approved, so rest assured, no backyard breeding here! 😊

 

Not surprised this is a byb and cropped ears situation..

 

Nearly every American Bully being shown has cropped ears. I'm sorry you don't like it, but your claim is baseless. Look up bossy kennels, or incredibullz, every one of their dogs are cropped.

 

Are you some kind of idiot?

Please be mindful of your comments. We don't tolerate members being disrespectful. Even if someone gets something wrong - in fact, especially if they do - we guide them onto the reason why. We don't call them idiots.

every one of their dogs are cropped

You say that like it's a good thing. Just because it's commonplace, it doesn't make it right.

 

Please be mindful of your comments. We don't tolerate members being disrespectful. Even if someone gets something wrong - in fact, especially if they do - we guide them onto the reason why. We don't call them idiots.


You say that like it's a good thing. Just because it's commonplace, it doesn't make it right.

So let me get this straight, this person can blatantly call me a liar and a backyard breeder and that's perfectly fine, but I can't retaliate? As for ear cropping, I'm not going to have that argument here, it's a matter of opinion. I don't have a problem with cropping, if for no other reason than that bullies can play very roughly. Have you seen an ear get completely ripped off during play? I have. Not with my personal dogs, but with another breeders' dogs, who are champion show dogs. Trust me, cropping is the better alternative.

 

In the first place, @LMMB didn't call you a backyard breeder, she said ”any backyard breeder can claim their dog has good hip scores”. Which of course is true.

You can contact Verticalscope to have your account deleted, there's a 'contact us' button on the home page.

Meantime I suggest you just log out.

 

She said, and I quote, "you have already produced multiple (unregistered) litters" and "clearly have no intention of testing or showing", neither of which is true, and both of which are clear implications/insinuations of me being a backyard breeder. She didn't have to say it outright for it to be a clear accusation.

Insinuating someone is lying or doing something unethical is disrespectful, point blank period, and I don't know about you, but I work very hard to breed responsibly. Had she been respectful and simply asked me questions, asked me to clear up some things politely, I would have been more than happy to answer and have a calm discussion.

 

Redsbullycamp Scarface

Are you some kind of idiot? You can't just Google search any random UKC or ABKC registered dog on Google and have the cert pop up, it doesn't work like that, so I don't know why you're making assumptions that he's had no registered litters. They've ALL been registered. Additionally, I have every intention of showing him, I just haven't been able to until now, because merle bullies were not allowed until BRC.

He is PRELIMINARY health tested pennhip, which are NOT open to the public. I won't post those results here, because contrary to your opinion, I am not advertising him for stud here. I don't have to, I already have interest from good breeders in real life. I'm not going to advertise to internet strangers whose programs and dogs I know absolutely nothing about.

Please educate yourself before making assumptions and accusing someone of being something they're not. I posted here just for fun, just out of curiosity, but the way you just assumed things is crazy.

Your reaction isn't that of someone who has been wrongly "accused" of backyard breeding - it's the reaction of someone who knows they've been caught out. (BTW, even if I did call you a backyard breeder, which I didn't, that's not necessarily an indictment towards your breeding standards. BYBs are on a sliding scale. Some of them go above and beyond for their pups, even if they don't quite "make the grade" for an ethical breeder. Others are little more than puppy farmers). Outright calling me an idiot, however... There's no grey area there.

Puppy buyers should be able to search databases - which is what I did with the UKC database.

Inflicting pain on infant dogs by cropping their ears and you don't even have a "problem" with it. . . Wow!

YOU said your dog had produced multiple litters. YOU said your dog cannot be shown. Backyard breeders and puppy farmers are aware that puppy buyers are "wising up" to health testing - so they do make a point of saying their dogs are tested and have passed with flying colours. They can't prove it though because of course the tests haven't been done. And therefore the buyer cannot independently verify the results. I was acting as a potential buyer.

 

Your reaction isn't that of someone who has been wrongly "accused" of backyard breeding - it's the reaction of someone who knows they've been caught out. (BTW, even if I did call you a backyard breeder, which I didn't, that's not necessarily an indictment towards your breeding standards. BYBs are on a sliding scale. Some of them go above and beyond for their pups, even if they don't quite "make the grade" for an ethical breeder. Others are little more than puppy farmers). Outright calling me an idiot, however... There's no grey area there.

Puppy buyers should be able to search databases - which is what I did with the UKC database.

Inflicting pain on infant dogs by cropping their ears and you don't even have a "problem" with it. . . Wow!

#1. My reaction is of someone who works extremely hard for years to build a program of ethical breeding standards, going through many trials and difficulties to get where I am, just to be accused of doing something wrong when I haven't. This program is my life's work, my BABY, so I'm genuinely sorry, but I take these things very personal. Everything with my program is personal, because I've put my heart and soul into it.
#2. You really came across as though you were accusing me of being a backyard breeder/a breeder who has done something horribly wrong. If this truly wasn't your intention I will accept that, it's just that my program is very near and dear to me, as I mentioned above.
#3. My dogs and pups ears get done professionally, at a vets office under anesthesia, absolutely no pain is involved at all. If there were pain involved, I wouldn't do it at all, regardless of what the breed standard says.
#4. As I mentioned above, my stud has prelim health tests completed via pennhip, and I'm always more than happy to provide those results to my puppy buyers. I did mention I had multiple litters, but that doesn't mean they were unregistered, they definitely were. I couldn't show him until recently because of his merle color, which is no longer the case as I will be showing him BRC and GCR.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or mean. I just take my program extremely seriously and I do everything I can to do so responsibly. The bully breed in general has had an influx of people thinking they can breed to make money, as if it's easy, and it really isn't. I am thousands in the hole and I have been doing this for years.

 

Best of luck to you and your stud!! And I'm glad y'all worked out the misunderstanding! UR STUD IS SO HANDSOME! I WISH I COULD HAVE ONE OF HIS PUPS!!!!! My favorite doggo breed is a pit and even tho they are not the same breed the American Bully looks alot like my favorite doggo breed. I really do wish I could have one of his pups. He is so good lookin and I bet they would be to!

 

Thank you I appreciate it!! I'm really glad we worked out the misunderstanding too. Y'all can probably tell, I'm very passionate about this 😂 So far his pups have made me very proud. A couple of them are completing their training to be cardiac alert and mobility service dogs 😊

 

Omg that is so cool!! It only makes me want one of his pups even more!! I'm glad you are passionate about your breeding! Is there a way I can look into it more? I'd love to learn more about your program for future reference! I really do love him!! What's his name? And any puppy pics of him or one of his litters? Or maybe his background? The reason I ask for his background is A because I'm honestly curious about it and B because maybe I can convince my mama to think about me maybe getting a pup from his bloodline!! Super happy that you have a breeding program that you are proud of!!!

 

You can add me on Facebook if you'd like to learn more 😊 it's under the name Jessica Lynn, and I've attached what my profile picture looks like. I post daily updates on Scarface's stud work, pedigree, future litter information, collaborations with other breeders, and just general pics and videos of daily family life with Scarface, as my clients really love to see them. I also have testimonials/reviews with clients there, and they post pics of his son's and daughters frequently.

 

Ok thank you!! I will do that!!

 

NVM forgot. Don't have Facebook. 😥

 

Aww that's okay!! I've attached some pics of some of his pups, I hope you like them! They're all my babies 😊

 

They're all so magnificent!!! You are doing an amazing job! Anytime you can give me updates on Scare face please do! I really like the one with the dog in the vehicle!! It made me laugh! You are a wonderful person and like I said anytime you are willing to update me on Scareface please do! If he has a new litter I'd love to see new born pics if possible! Once again you are a wonderful person!! And I mean it!

 

Aww thank you I really appreciate it!! I will definitely keep you updated as much as I can 😊 I really love sharing my program with other people. And haha yeah that's Lincoln, he loves off-roading

 

Well me and that dog have that in common!! Seeming I'm a Bourne and raised *******!! My mama says that's why I've fallen in love with pits and American bullies! I just tell her I can't change how I'm wired!