[fawkese1]

I did, I dont just correct what I dont want, I correct, than show them what they should be doing instead, if I may I can post my photobucket page & you can see that my dogs aren't scared, or shut down (if posting another site has violated a rule please feel free to take it down. HTTP//hotobucket.com/dogdragoness

you've posted several times about your relationship with your rescue dog. have you ever considered that the issues you are having with her are yours? just because using intimidation techniques appears to work to you, doesn't mean that it is working for your dogs, IMO, it clearly isn't working for your rescue. a lot of people don't really "get" what a shut down dog looks like. they also don't "get" what displacement behaviors are. they will often label a dog that is "shut down" as stubborn, uncooperative etc.

 

[danesrus]

As well as the distraction techniques, you could try a canine bridle, google it. We have one for each of our dogs, neither can pull with them, good luck

 

[dogdragoness]

I was (a long time ago) having probs with come... Her blowIng me off. But I fixed that, there was a 5 acre safely fenced pasture that we were out in & she refused to come... So I left her out there for a few minutes til she wondered where I went. She never lets me out of her sight again.

 

[fawkese1]

I was (a long time ago) having probs with come... Her blowIng me off. But I fixed that, there was a 5 acre safely fenced pasture that we were out in & she refused to come... So I left her out there for a few minutes til she wondered where I went. She never lets me out of her sight again.

i would suggest that you review your past posts on this forum as they indicate a bit more of what i was getting at . i would like to draw your attention to this sticky. it is clear that we are not going to be able to come to terms on this subject, which is fine, and i'd rather not try to do so in someone else's thread, though i'd hoped our conversation would have been more educational. that said, suggestions of physical corrections and aversive training techniques such as you posted are highly discouraged here. whether you agree with me or not, please refrain from posting such suggestions in the future. we cannot convince you not to use these techniques on your dogs, but we can politely request that you stop suggesting them to others

for now, we have derailed this thread quite enough. my apologies to the OP, i hadn't intended this part of the convo to carry on for so long... any further straying will be edited/removed.

 

[sheep]

i would suggest that you review your past posts on this forum as they indicate a bit more of what i was getting at . i would like to draw your attention to this sticky. it is clear that we are not going to be able to come to terms on this subject, which is fine, and i'd rather not try to do so in someone else's thread, though i'd hoped our conversation would have been more educational. that said, suggestions of physical corrections and aversive training techniques such as you posted are highly discouraged here. whether you agree with me or not, please refrain from posting such suggestions in the future. we cannot convince you not to use these techniques on your dogs, but we can politely request that you stop suggesting them to others

for now, we have derailed this thread quite enough. my apologies to the OP, i hadn't intended this part of the convo to carry on for so long... any further straying will be edited/removed.

I'm sorry for continue straying from the topic, but I just wanted to share my opinion about this, that might be useful.

Some time ago, when I've started to read dog stuffs online, including a few online communities, I was wondering why are the debates about positive vs aversive so heated. But then I've finally understood why - different techniques might work or not work with different owners/dogs, but unlike positive methods, aversive ones can be dangerous coz they can lead to damage. If a positive method can't work, the worst scenario is just dog getting fat (for too much snacks lol) or dog not learning what we want to teach. But if an aversive method doesn't work, the worst scenario can be aggressiveness, physical or psychological damage and damaging the owner/dog relationship.

What I've realised too is that many people can be very inexperienced with training too that they can fail easier when trying to apply training methods, so that the chances of getting the negative outcome using aversive is higher too.


I guess that if people focus more on this rather than the effectiveness of the methods and being judgemental towards each other then there wouldn't be so many heated debates on the online communities (although everyone here is being very polite but I've seen a few discussions at other forums that are just so heated!), and there would be less confusion (for those who seeks advices) and people would be more open to try positive methods.

 

[Tess]

Good job summarizing the debate Sheep! I think that explains the issues very well.

 

[danesrus]

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[Sarah W]

I have a similar challenge with my two - particularly at the moment with squirrels doing their best to undo all my hard work. Most of the time the dogs are off the lead but I do one walk most days when they're on the lead for a short stretch. They are a nightmare. However, I'm sticking to the training in the (vain?) hope that one day it'll sink in. They know how to walk nicely on a lead (well, Synnu does - Tsieina is still learning) but they haven't twigged that they have to keep up the behaviour and not just do it when I ask.

All I can suggest is that you're 100% consistent in whatever method you use (for which you need the patience of a saint!).