I lived on the sea front still very wild and sandy great place for all dogs to be free to run open to all - but now all that freedom is about to be changed especially for dog owners - because now of how the world is today – certain migrating birds are on the decrease so nesting has to be protected in this certain coastal sandy banks area - even though it’s a good 1/4 mile from where most folks walk their dogs – Dogs are now banned in this vicinity – Goes to show no matter dogs in the City or Dogs in the wild as far as open spaces go its getting increasingly difficult for dogs to have real freedom what they love best and that is free to run - after all they are built for running - hello four legs and all Lol – Yes more rules for all dog owners to be aware and followed or a fine is often imposed - £80 fine if dog not on a leash in my area with posters everywhere - now that hurts -

??? this isnt about how big the dog is, but that he definitely has issues when youre walking him that are potential dangerous....

 

Jarek,
keeping any dog with teeth around people can be trouble, and the bigger the dog the bigger the potential trouble.

Dog attacks on people (no matter adult or child) lead to breed specific legislation in the US. Just ask anyone who has a 'pit bull' or type dog... it means you cannot own such a dog in some municipalities, in others you cannot get insurance for your home when you do, and everywhere it is very expensive. (In some places pit bull is any dog that looks like one, or might have similar 'fighting' breeds in it, which is determined by people who know very little about dogs, as in, "it is brindle, thus it is a pit bull").

That being said, of course someone with experience and dedication can handle any dog in a city, as long as there is emphasis placed on selection for temperament, training, socialization, and so forth.
It is most likely easier in Europe than in the US, where dogs are not part of normal public life.
(Dogs cannot be on public transportation, are not allowed in many public venues, from most buildings to parks. There are open air things like flea markets/farmer's markets that prohibit dogs, and I cannot take mine to Home Depot, a lumber store. Further people here are not savvy about dogs, approach without permission and the dog owner can get sued for a dog bite by a trespasser or burglar, even if the dog defended you!).

I have had a dog in Europe, and it was rather different.

If you love a breed of dog, you want to be sure that people own this breed are responsible owners and handlers of such a dog, or else they may ruin it for you and the breed. That's how it is on this side of the world.

 

Jules785 I think to my self america not dog frendly place and make problem to dog keeper always.
some time I am angry always because law make life for dog terible life and I dont know for why this is reason. I think to my self maybe some day people dont know any more what dog look like and I think to myself also they google picture.
Jarek

 

Jarek, it IS different to have a dog here (than in Europe).

A lot of people live very far removed from nature, and they are used to instant gratification.
Training a dog, taking care of it for its whole life, providing for it, every day, those are concepts that escape people who have marriages lasting a few months and don't pay child support and buy everything on credit...

Not that there are not wonderful dog owners/breeders/trainers here, there are.
But there are also a lot of people who never even take the time to do it right, and who have dogs when taking care of a goldfish is too challenging for them.

So my advice for the prospective dog owner of a large guardian breed in a city was from the US perspective. I would rather have people think three times and end up with a good match (or even with a cat) than to hear a few months later that this dog has bitten someone, and is going to be destroyed as a vicious dog.

I should have explained that... location matters, not just in real estate.

 

Is everyone still talking about the dog/Bear hybrid.

 

ScentHound I think to myself you post funny matter because dog and bear dont have off spring ever. my dictionary read 'hybrid' offspring of two animals. A thing produced by the interaction or crossbreeding of two unlike cultures, traditions, etc.
I think to my self this is not true matter of fact you post and imposible maybe. but I dont know.
Jarek

 

Yes, I am just having fun.
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I heard that the OES is and/or was a guard dog.
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I heard that the OES is and/or was a guard dog.
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they are hearding dogs frist. sometimes they are GUARD dogs, but not GUARDIAN dogs. there is a big difference.

and jarek- even if a dog were mostly bred for show now, it doesnt mean they are not hearding dogs.

go do some research on the breed on stop relying just on what your friends and family tell you. you will learn a lot more of the correct information.

 

What friends and family may tell Jarek is not bad, it could just be different. Like how generations usually have different views and information on things, country to country may as well. (As in case you didn't notice he is from Estonia, while most talking here are from America )

Now, I just kinda skimmed this last posts on this page, but I just thought I'd throw my tiny 2 cents in over that. I really have not a clue what is being spoke of otherwise.

And I'll admit, OES I rarely see ever out doing what they may have been bred for. I mostly see them showing.

 

It was both a guardian dog and herding dog.

"The history of the Old English Sheepdog is intertwined with the bygone days of the drovers.........The type of dog a drover needed was one with stamina, steadiness and the temperament that would see off any predators, would stand its ground against any rogue beast and would see off man attack by a bull or ox intent on mischief towards the drovers."

From the breed club.

 

that is not a dog.....it's a bear XD and its chewing someones head!!

 

an OES could be used as a guard dog the same as a GSD (another herding breed) could, but it is not the same as a flock guardian, even if you used them to guard your flock, it still wouldn't be the same. herding is basically stalking, (like hunting) dogs that do that couldn't really live with the flock in the same way as a livestock guardian...

i know that it sounds like semantics, but if you spend any time observing how a herding breed moves through a flock/herd compared to how a livestock guardian breed does, the differences are obvious... the way that the flock/herd responds to them alone shows a huge difference...

not to mention that these breeds are very independent in comparison to herding dogs...

 

True--it's very obvious when you can observe the behavioral differences between Pyrs and Border Collies on a farm. In my family's case, typically the herders aren't left alone with the goats for any extended period of time, though, whereas the Pyrs are on duty 24/7.

In any case, I don't pretend to be a breed expert on the OES by any means, but a there is some definite confusion on the interwebs regarding herding vs. LGD on this one.

The AKC calls it herding, so I would call that its primary function unless some new groundbreaking information shows up.

 

GreatDaneMom only I have sarplaninac my relative s have other breed dog.s some diferent from others same like some frends. you dont read all my post properly and I think to my self this my fault maybe. but you dont still answer my question I ask from you.
Also I never make sarplaninac like other dog because sarplaninac not like other dog. I dont know from where you read this fact of matter.
today I learn new word assert and I think to my self maybe you want to assert you authority because you think to your self you read from book and book must be right always. but this not always true fact of matter.
I think to myself you stubborn maybe and this is not you problem but my problem.

GreatDaneMom I take time and care to write best english I can but you dont take same time to read from same care and read only fact of matter you think to your self important.

Jarek

 

I think we've more than made our points here.




All done thanks for playing