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Excellent post about PPD's --Personal Protection Dogs
I hope it is ok that I copy paste this excellent post by another forum member. It was just too informative to not post here in my opinion!!
Anyone who is even thinking of acquiring a PPD should read this!
Written by @Bentwings
I came in late to this thread and only waded through parts of it......it made me sick to just read what I did. |
I’ve worked with PPDs, police dogs and protection dog sports for a long time. In the early days of my personal training we talked about choosing dogs for the work. It was said that of the 5% of a given breed that shows potential for protection work of any kind only 5% of those were capable of true Personal protection work. The wash out rate obviously is extremely high. Even trainers with selective breeding programs have very high washout rates. Many just sell these dogs as pets often with neuter and or non breed clauses, and often at bargain prices.
Faults range from health,lack of drive, shyness, fearfulness, poor structure, and general reactivity as well as others. As I continued training and working with a range of dogs from pups to top of the line trained dogs I began to see these things much more clearly. Indeed I was questioned by the trainer on what I saw and critiqued on my comments. Eventually I got to and participate on dog candidate selection. This was by another trainer who trained mostly police working dogs. I got to see him select a fresh shipment of European dogs. He said they rarely sent high quality dogs, mostly their “junk dogs” to “us stupid Americans” as he noted. The test was in a large pole building with a dirt floor. These dogs had had previously two weeks of relaxing kennel and socialization to get used to him. One by one the we’re brought into the barn. He first threw a tennis ball down to the far end then released the dog. If the dog ran fast and picked it up and either ran around or brought it back, it passed the first test. The second test he simply tossed a puppy training sleeve out. With no command or encouragement the dog was released. If the dog ran quickly to it and pranced around sort of “ showing off” with it, he said the dog would get further training and was a temporary “keeper”. Dogs that failed either test were sent back or sold for his cost. Of the six he demoed to us he kept one. Then he told, not asked, me to bring in my dog. As I recall he had just passed his SCH II trial. So I did. He had me step out and watch through the office window. My dog did the ball quickly and ran around shaking the sleeve proudly then the trainer grabbed it and pulled hard with very strong threatening noises. My dog vigorously opposed with a deep grip until the trainer released it. He said my dog had solid drives and was in control of himself. He needed much more difficult and demanding work but carefully done to prevent excessive fight as he became more skillful. It turned out exactly as he said. My friend’s dog barely passed the initial test and the trainer said that he would probably wash out later on. He suggested we train him as an object/area search dog and as a dog to demo and to take on public K 9 awareness programs. He turned out to be a wonderful family dog with just enough “ guard” abilitity to scare off intruders. We got to spend a whole week of 10-12 hours days working dogs with this guy and learned a lot. It’s hard to describe the intensity of the dog training and the personal training he gave us.
We considered money well spent.
When he completed a dog’s training he required a week of personal training of the handler with the dog thus creating the foundation of a team.
What surprises me here is that the OP seems to have no introduction as to her dog’s training or capability. Then to read about the total lack of working ability of the dog. I’d be highly suspicious of this trainer. If I was to go back in time to my first week of real hard dog training (I’d be a rank beginner trainer) and asked to evaluate this dog based on his first week of training too, I say take this dog home and treat him nicely. Give him a comfy bed, let him on the couch and bed and give him a good life. Then get another dog for the work. Compared to what my trainer would have said ,this is very gentle.
It sounds like this dog was badly mistreated, maybe forced to enter into protection training that he was not genetically equipped to do, then had a big ticket price tag hung on him. I really feel sorry for the OP as well as the dog. I can even begin to imagine the disappointment.
Most assuredly I’d keep this dog away from the kids. I’m going to repeat this because I don’t want to read about an accident.
Keep this dog away from the kids.
There are already plenty of recommendations posted so I’ll not get into that.
PPDs are not for everyone just as guns and weapons are not for everyone.
For the OP. This problem asside. Please, please if you really want a PPD go to several
Trainers and talk to them. Keep notes. Ask if they will help and train you to handle the dog. Find out all you can. Check with your local law enforcement about PPD. And above all check with your insurance agent/company. Then I’d suggest you attend a Concealed and Carry gun permit class. Not that you want to carry a firearm but so you will learn about the laws concerning your personal and property protection.
I know this is very long winded but I hear PPD things frequently and most people don’t really understand what goes into this.