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Poor dog! - fat, fat, fat.



poor thing! - Fat as a hog. :headshake:
Small dogs have a terrible time with early-onset joint problems when they are obese.

Probly a Shiba-mix, which isn't good news for a fat dog, either; Shibas, like so many Asian breeds, have very-vertical rears.
The femurs are stacked like cards atop the hocks; the knees are prone to instability & injury, & hip dysplasia is not uncommon.

Chows, Akitas, Shibas, Shar-Pei, all have those unstable stacked rears.
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Looks like a Pomeranian to me.

It looks elderly, it looks like it's had it's coat shaved at some point in its life so the coat didn't grow back properly, and it does look overweight, so it's not going to look exactly like the poms on google images. There's also a variety in phenotype- some are tiny, some are 15+ lbs, some have the longer narrow muzzle, and others are brachycephalic, etc depending on where you live and what type of breeder it came from. But it looks all pom to me.
 

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lack of fluff.

not enuf fluff for a Pom - :eek: or even a Pom-cross.

that's a determinate-length coat, U can see the tapered tips of guard hairs,
& there's no petticoats / feather on the forelegs / ruff around the neck.

Could be a Shiba-X with a small smooth-coat, such as a Chi, which would explain the excessively-round back-skull. Chis are apple-heads - if the dog is local to U, check the top of the head very gently for a persistent open area, that's characteristic of Chis [open fontanel].

IMO an open fontanel would be definitive proof of recent Chi ancestry, not grandparent but parent. // Lack of it wouldn't be proof of "no Chi parent", tho. Not all Chis have it - it's just a prevalent feature.

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not enuf fluff for a Pom - :eek: or even a Pom-cross.
Definitely looks like a Pomeranian to me, just one that has been shaved so the coat grew back all short and rough- I've seen a number of them like that.
 

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some samples of clipped "plush" coats on a double-coated breed

Definitely looks like a Pomeranian to me, just one that's been shaved so the coat grew back all short and rough -
I've seen a number of them like that.

Where is it 'rough'? - that sounds like it's ragged, or different lengths? I'm not sure what part is rough, or is it "all"? :ponder: I can't see any rough areas, such as a wire coat has, or a coarse coat.

On the dog's sides, i can clearly see the tips of intact guard-hairs projecting from the underlying layer, so this dog hasn't been recently clipped; the coat has shed-out & re-grown, if s/he was ever stripped down.

The other thing that confuses me is that clippered coats come back softer, not harder / harsher; that's why wire-coated or bristle-coated dogs are always recommended to be hand-stripped, never to be cut with clippers.
Once clipped, they have more-open, softer textured coats, which don't shed water & dirt the way hard, hand-stripped coats do. // Many pet-dog groomers don't know how to hand-strip, or flat-out won't do it - clippering is faster, not so tiring on the hands, & doesn't require moving from area to area to avoid irritating the dog's skin.

if we were looking at a double-coated dog who'd been shaved / clippered & the cut coat hadn't shed out & grown-back, we'd see a 'plush' coat:
all one length, the guard-hairs would be the same length as the undercoat & thus hidden, & the dog would look sorta like a stuffed toy - the plush look seems fake, as it's so regular in length. The dog looks upholstered, instead of furred. :eek:

Some photos are attached, see the difference in clipped areas, all one length & resembling stuffed toys, vs the soft feathering that edges the unclipped ears & body?

Some of these dogs are all-natural [combed, not clipped, just the undercoat raked out], others are plush-clipped in some areas & left long on others. I have not seen a single Golden in the show-ring for a decade with un-clippered ears, & natural feather. :confused: It's a shame, IMO.

the FIRST photo is a 4-MO pup, in puppy coat [no feathers yet, just a little extra length on the hair of her pinnae].
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213722&stc=1&d=1507519407

2nd is a cream M pup, ~5-MO, body still in puppy coat, ears more grown-out
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213730&stc=1&d=1507519407

3rd an adult red M, undercoat raked, bib clippered
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213738&stc=1&d=1507519407

4th a red M, he looks natural, *but* ears were clippered - see the featherless edges?
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213746&stc=1&d=1507519407

a Senior straw-blonde, his ears were clippered
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213754&stc=1&d=1507519407

#6 [left to Rt, middle pic, 2nd row], is a HAND-stripped Irish Terrier
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213762&stc=1&d=1507519407

#7, adult M, clipped, scissored, & sculpted for the show-ring
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213770&stc=1&d=1507519407


The LAST photo is an adult dog who won't resemble a Golden when she's done - clippered to a 1-inch long all-over plush, no feathers anywhere. He looks bald. [Probly feels bald, too - such a short coat makes him susceptible to sunburn, poor fella.]
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213778&stc=1&d=1507519407

 

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I took a screenshot of the OP in close-up



here's a screenshot of the dog in the OP, in extreme close-up, just the coat detail -
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213786&stc=1&d=1507521442
the glossy finish is guard-hairs.


plus a clippered Pom in a lion-clip, showing the matte finish of a plush clip
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213794&stc=1&d=1507521442

& an extreme close-up of the plush-cut body on the Pom
http://www.dogforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=213802&stc=1&d=1507521657


& here's the page both Pom photos came from -

Groomerisms and the Art of Zen

Notice her instructions on how to fool the eye into seeing a better-proportioned dog than what's actually there. :eyeroll:
A really-good groomer can carve a decent-looking dog out of a pretty lousy breed specimen, unfortunately. :(

That fact, along with the fact that AKC judges look at the handler far-too much & presume that any pro-handler wouldn't handle a bad specimen, gets a lot of undeserving dogs a breed Championship. // If the owner has the money & can find a willing pro-handler, virtually any dog without an automatically-disqualifying fault can get an AKC-Ch. It may take years, but they can get it.

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Rough as in it doesn't look long and soft like an unclipped Pom. It looks rough to the touch, I think that texture is especially visible towards the back end and on the tail. The texture of the coat around the face and on the head is much smoother, like when they clip Pomeranians- their whole body but leave the head. Head and body look all Pomeranian to me- Shibas have longer legs, smoother coats, and a much differently shaped skull. It honestly just looks like an old Pomeranian whose owner butchered its coat. Not one of the brachycephalic, bug eyed show dogs- one of the ones with a proper muzzle that resembles an earlier incarnation of the breed.

It doesn't matter that there are pictures on the internet that look different, google images doesn't cover everything there is to see- I've seen dogs that look like this irl after they get clipped and their coats grow back wrong.
 

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butt-itches & hair damage, esp'ly to tail & seen clearly on Rt rear leg / foot

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It looks rough to the touch, I think that texture is especially visible towards the back end and on the tail.
The texture of the coat around the face and on the head is much smoother, like when they clip Pomeranians - their whole body, but leave the head.
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I think he? has had some severe itchy problem, & damaged his own back-end & tail. :eek:
Zoom the screen, & look at his[?] right-rear foot - there's chew damage to the hair, & his tail is just plain gnawed.

flea-bite dermatitis, a contact allergy, atopy? - who knows, but he's been chewing his skin & pulling hair - IMO, of course.
@jonohjay -
did U see the dog in person, or are these photos off the Interwebs?
If U saw the dog in the flesh, did s/he scratch, or rub their bum on the ground?
Thanks for any added info, :thumbsup:
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