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Hi, My names Raj I have a 4 year old Chow Chow called Happy :)

My curiosity spiked thinking back before purchasing Happy, and how daunting the research phase was and wanted to know:

What was the most difficult part of doing research pre-purchase/adopting your beloved friend?

I personally found the information so overwhelming across various websites, whether that was Dogs Trust or Pets4Homes.
But I really wanted to know other peoples thoughts.
 

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Not something I've found personally, but a lot of people seem to have a Disney idea of dog ownership. They want a dog that conforms to a certain look because they saw one on TV, but they have no idea of breed traits and suitability for their lifestyle or ability.

Is that the sort of thing you mean?
 

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I've never formally bought a dog or adopted one through an agency - the ones that need me always just seem to find me. So I guess you could say the hardest part is the wait. 😄

Though it may seem strange, the "research phase" for me is after the dog comes home - figuring out what breed mix, what traits to expect, and how to accommodate their...idiosyncrasies. A good baseline of general knowledge helps, but it does keep me on my toes at times.
 

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Not something I've found personally, but a lot of people seem to have a Disney idea of dog ownership. They want a dog that conforms to a certain look because they saw one on TV, but they have no idea of breed traits and suitability for their lifestyle or ability.

Is that the sort of thing you mean?
yeah I see what you are saying, that is what I found from previous research. Mainly the fact that a lot of people buy from impulse based decisions and tend to not grasp the essential lifestyle information for a certain breed.

But then that would ask the question as to why people would not do research when the information is already out there? is it too much information to grasp or are aesthetics the main motive for people attaining a dog
 

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I've never formally bought a dog or adopted one through an agency - the ones that need me always just seem to find me. So I guess you could say the hardest part is the wait. 😄

Though it may seem strange, the "research phase" for me is after the dog comes home - figuring out what breed mix, what traits to expect, and how to accommodate their...idiosyncrasies. A good baseline of general knowledge helps, but it does keep me on my toes at times.
Do you find research difficult after getting a dog or is it more of the fact that there is a lot of information to process?
 

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that would ask the question as to why people would not do research when the information is already out there?
Because we live in an 'instant gratification' society. People want something; and want it now.

They often spend more time researching a two week holiday than a 12 year commitment to a dog. :(
 

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Do you find research difficult after getting a dog or is it more of the fact that there is a lot of information to process?
It's never been an issue. I usually try to focus more on working with the dog in front of me than expecting them to 'fit' the general information.

Sometimes I run into specific problems (like my latest rescue, who is by far the most reactive dog I've met in a couple decades spent around dogs), and the research takes me deeper into subjects I'm already aware of. Problem-solving and seeking reassurance that I was on the right track is actually how I wound up here. 😅
 

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Because we live in an 'instant gratification' society. People want something; and want it now.

They often spend more time researching a two week holiday than a 12 year commitment to a dog. :(
Totally agree, I spent quite some time before getting my beloved friend Happy, but I was and still am extremely shocked by the minimal research people do when getting a dog.
 

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I have studied the breeds of my 3 current dogs (1 was a gift (friends owned both parents), but I knew what was coming for weeks, and studied up) before getting them. However, years ago, after losing my only dog; I decide to LOOK :) around at the dogs in our Humane Society. I was totally taken by one 5 yr old super shy Border Collie, but knew nothing about the breed. They would only honor a 48 hr hold, so I volunteered at the shelter for a week before going forward with the adoption. If I was not able to volunteer, I would have taken her on the spot in any case. There was an almost instant bond in both directions.
 

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My current girl was bought from a breeder. For me, the hardest part of research was weighing and acting on differing, potentially false, and sometimes outright contradictory information. For example, in my breed (Australian Shepherd) you would most likely be taken off guard by some battles over structure. Show breeders like more of a cat foot, working line breeders prefer an oval/modified harefoot--both impact how the dog stacks and moves. How does a nice person who just likes their friend's dog evaluate?


To add to it, there was also the wait and wanting to make sure the breeder I supported was ethical. Some breeders said the right thing, supported the latest puppy raising protocols, did the right testing--but made breeding decisions I personally couldn't support. And so on.
 

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I have studied the breeds of my 3 current dogs (1 was a gift (friends owned both parents), but I knew what was coming for weeks, and studied up) before getting them. However, years ago, after losing my only dog; I decide to LOOK :) around at the dogs in our Humane Society. I was totally taken by one 5 yr old super shy Border Collie, but knew nothing about the breed. They would only honor a 48 hr hold, so I volunteered at the shelter for a week before going forward with the adoption. If I was not able to volunteer, I would have taken her on the spot in any case. There was an almost instant bond in both directions.
I really admire the level of research, did you find any difficulties in doing any of the research across all your dogs? like the amount of information to process, etc.
 

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My current girl was bought from a breeder. For me, the hardest part of research was weighing and acting on differing, potentially false, and sometimes outright contradictory information. For example, in my breed (Australian Shepherd) you would most likely be taken off guard by some battles over structure. Show breeders like more of a cat foot, working line breeders prefer an oval/modified harefoot--both impact how the dog stacks and moves. How does a nice person who just likes their friend's dog evaluate?


To add to it, there was also the wait and wanting to make sure the breeder I supported was ethical. Some breeders said the right thing, supported the latest puppy raising protocols, did the right testing--but made breeding decisions I personally couldn't support. And so on.
Yeah I had a similar experience in terms of the breeders, I wanted to know I could get a dog whilst knowing that it was ethical. I feel, especially moving forward, that there needs to be a bar risen from both the level of responsibility and standards of breeder and owner in providing a home for what may be the pet's entire life. Especially in my undergrad research I found that people were more susceptible to abandoning a dog after not doing 'enough' research.
 

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yeah I see what you are saying, that is what I found from previous research. Mainly the fact that a lot of people buy from impulse based decisions and tend to not grasp the essential lifestyle information for a certain breed.

But then that would ask the question as to why people would not do research when the information is already out there? is it too much information to grasp or are aesthetics the main motive for people attaining a dog
More a case of too much like hard work to put the time in to do the research.

In general, if people do any research at all, it’s what breed their favourite celebrities were seen carrying around in LA, or what breed the dog that features in their favourite film happens to be. Or they’ll do a “What breed would suit me?” quiz or post on forums like this with a list of requirements and call it job done, not expecting a “what’s in it for the dog?” reply. If people in general don’t want to think too much about what they can offer a sentient animal, just what a dog can offer them (which they typically don’t) they aren’t going to care about breed traits.

feel, especially moving forward, that there needs to be a bar risen from both the level of responsibility and standards of breeder and owner
There are breeders out there who go above and beyond for their puppies. They know their breed inside out and backside forward. They know what tests are available for their breed and what the scores should be and do them, and if their bitch fails those tests, they pull the plug and start again with another bitch puppy.

They also prove their dogs in some way - the show ring, working trials, competitive obedience. And they only breed to improve their lines.

They’re known as “hobby breeders” because they know that ethical breeding practices means they’re as likely to make a loss from the breeding as they are a profit. Most just about break even.

Ethical breeders will usually only breed from their dams once or twice during that bitch’s lifetime, and so may have a litter once every other year or so. They also have no problem telling people “Sorry, but there’s not a cat in Hell’s chance of you getting one of my puppies.” (They might put it a bit more tactfully than that - I’m just as blunt as a baseball bat :p ). To this day, I remember a rottie breeder on another forum moving hell and high water to get one of their puppies back because the new owner couldn’t decide if they wanted to keep it or not. She travelled through the night to get that puppy back and didn’t stop until the puppy was back home with her. And Imm not a fan of rotties.

Contrast that with the clueless and the impatient prospective owners who don’t see why they should wait and get a dog from health-tested, proven stock because “I just want a puppy and I want one now. I’m not interested in showing, I don’t want a boring old breed featured on Crufts, I want a Cockerdoodledooapooshitski because I have the mental age of a 5 year old, it has a funny name and I saw one in the street the other day.”

Ethical breeders cannot hope to meet the demand for puppies from such people, which leaves the backyard breeders and puppy farmers who are only too happy to take money from the gullible and the impatient. Unless or until people in general have the mental and emotional maturity and the patience to do the research and wait for the right puppy, (and to be told by the breeder which puppy they’re getting, which may or may not be the one they’ve fallen in love with but which will be the one best suited to their circumstances), the irresponsible breeding practices will keep raking the money in, and, as horrific as they are, banning them won’t automatically curb the practice - they’ll just drive it underground and into the ever-waiting grubby hands of the criminals.
 

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I really admire the level of research, did you find any difficulties in doing any of the research across all your dogs? like the amount of information to process, etc.
No, I had no difficulty locating a lot of information about all of my current dogs, (Mini Aussie, Golden and a cross) but be aware that none of them fit the "mold" persona wise. Of course the Chocolate Lab/Border Collie could have gone either way, but wound up with a Lab persona (I was hoping for BC, but she is still a winner, albeit stubborn as a mule)


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No, I had no difficulty locating a lot of information about all of my current dogs, (Mini Aussie, Golden and a cross) but be aware that none of them fit the "mold" persona wise. Of course the Chocolate Lab/Border Collie could have gone either way, but wound up with a Lab persona (I was hoping for BC, but she is still a winner, albeit stubborn as a mule)


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