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First of all : Hi, im new to this forum. My name is Dylan and i am (thinking of??) going to buy a dog. I live in The Netherlands , so behold grammar mistakes :)

Me and my partner are thinking of buying a dog. Before we do, I want to get as much info as I want and need. So besides this forum I visit dutch forums and the books are starting to pile up :)

Both my partner and I LOVE the outdoor. Even now without any pets we tend to walk every evening after dinner. We have a new build house
near a spacious dike with a (safe) small river. Besides the dike and river we also have a forrest wich takes about a 10 minut walk to get there.
We both have a 40 hour job, Monday to Friday. We dont have kids and we dont have any sport obligations or any of that matter. We are both a down to earth and calm person.
So that brings me to the dog :) .We want to buy a Border Collie. And when I search Border Collie the first things that pops up are : Active, Sheep/work and Mental stimulation.
Those trademarks are exactley what we are looking for. We are thinking of getting a puppy, since we can then train him from the start with our scheduele. We also want to do a proffesional puppy training!
I want to list some questions/scenarios that are somewhat hard to find in a topic, or are not suitable in our circumstances. So first things first, this will be our scheduele



06:30 (morning) - first walk, about 45 minuts to a hour on te dike. This will include throwing a ball/frizbee and free running.

08:00 (morning) - We leave the house for work. The dog will have to stay in his own room (this is a spareroom). This room will be dedicated for the dog. The room has a window that will be open with window security when the weather is good enough. He will have his own crate (open) with blanked, bones , toys etc. The room is upstairs and is about 16 square meters (172 square feet) with obviousley food, water and all other facilities such as light, a radio and a airco during hot summer days.

12:00ish (afternoon) - The dedicated dog walker will come pick up our dog. the dog walker has a van with kennels for other dogs. So he has to drive about 30 minuts in total to pick up every dog on his list. They go for a hour walk near a lake and forrest. This dog walker is a trained dog specialist and has certificates. The dog walker will return every dog, wich again takes about 30 minuts. When i som this up : 30x30x60= 120 minuts that the dog wont be alone and has a good stretch!

13:30ish (afternoon) - The dog walker will then put the dog back in his room with a treat on his behalf.

17:00ish (afternoon) - I come home and will take the dog out for a walk. This will be, agian, on the dike including free running, on a leash , throwing a ball etc. Only this time the walk will be about 30 minuts.

17:30ish (afternoon - Partner comes home , we cook and eat

18:30ish (evening) - A walk 45 minuts to a hour (longer on summer days)

22:00 (evening) - Last quick poo :)

Questions :

What do you think of this scheduele? Is this enough walks for a dog? At home and in the weekend we will obviously give the dog mental stimulation. Ive read that hide and seek is a good one, playing catch and simple games as hiding a toy.
In the weekend we will take the dog out for a walk our selfs and with good weather we want to go visit forrests and lakes ( we live in a really good natural enviroment ).

What do you think of the amount of time that the dog is left alone? In the morning this will be 4 hours till the dog walker comes, and after the dog walker leaves another 3,5 hours.

Is a dedicated spare room for the dog a good idea?


A thousand more questions will pop-up. But these are the first things that I think is the most important for the dog himself.


EDITED : Some nice people noted that it seemed like we want to leave a puppy alone : This is not the case :eek:! We are full time available for the pup. We want to gradually increase the time that he is alone.!
 

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For a border collie, and for any puppy, that length of time alone is too much. Leave a collie for that long, without stimulation, and he will amuse himself - possibly by taking apart pieces of your house by chewing.
 

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We used to have a border collie.. two-and-a-half hours of walking running about throwing the ball we would get home he would have a quick drink and then be standing at the door ready to go again.
No puppy should be at home alone for 4 hours at a time.
You could always adopt an older dog maybe one with slightly less high activity levels I have a stabijhoun. He is happy to walk an hour or so then laze or sleep until lunch. You could try stichting zino..
 

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For a border collie, and for any puppy, that length of time alone is too much. Leave a collie for that long, without stimulation, and he will amuse himself - possibly by taking apart pieces of your house by chewing.
My bad , I skipped the part that we want to raise the puppy like it should! so we wouldnt leave it alone from the very beginnen. But gradualley increase the time as he gets older. I couldnt agree more that a puppy should not be alone! We ment the alone time for when he is adult!
 

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We used to have a border collie.. two-and-a-half hours of walking running about throwing the ball we would get home he would have a quick drink and then be standing at the door ready to go again.
No puppy should be at home alone for 4 hours at a time.
You could always adopt an older dog maybe one with slightly less high activity levels I have a stabijhoun. He is happy to walk an hour or so then laze or sleep until lunch. You could try stichting zino..
My bad , I skipped the part that we want to raise the puppy like it should! so we wouldnt leave it alone from the very beginnen. But gradualley increase the time as he gets older. I couldnt agree more that a puppy should not be alone! We ment the alone time for when he is adult!

I just looked up the Stabijhoun. He looks alot like a Border Collie! Did you get yours through stichting zino?
 

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I agree with Mad Murphy. Some dogs as adults would be ok being left for 4 hours. Working breeds like collies are not likely to be ok for 4 hours.
 

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Whether or not an adult dog will do fine by itself for for hour stretches is dog dependent, not so much breed dependent, although working breed dogs that are bred to work all day tend to fair worse when left alone then other breeds. So far all of my dogs have done fine when left alone during the day, even my hyper terrier.

In your case I'd look for medium energy breeds those tend to love to be on the go with their owners, but are also happy to hang out at home when the owner is gone so long as they have had enough exercise, and your schedule sounds perfect for a medium energy dog. Medium-Energy Dog Breeds
 

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We want to buy a Border Collie. And when I search Border Collie the first things that pops up are : Active, Sheep/work and Mental stimulation.
Those trademarks are exactley what we are looking for.
Is that really what your looking for? As you mentioned they’re working sheepdogs. One could argue that you should only get a BC for herding. In some cases they can do good without herding but then they’re often train and/or compete in agility, obedience trial etc. It’s a working breed and they need to have a meaningful “job” or activity which allows them to use their brain for hours daily.
What do you think of this scheduele? Is this enough walks for a dog? At home and in the weekend we will obviously give the dog mental stimulation. Ive read that hide and seek is a good one, playing catch and simple games as hiding a toy.
Yes it’s enough walks and exercise for a lot of dogs, but not for a Border collie. The activities you mention to mentally stimulate the dog are good, fun little games, but not near enough what it takes to satisfy a border collie. I can’t stress this enough, it’s a working breed and you shouldn’t get one if you’re not going to use it for herding or have high ambitions in other suitable dog sports.

A Border Collie does not fit your description, however, many other breeds do. There’s a lot of breeds that would love that life your offering but please scratch the idea of bc because it’s not one of them.

What you should be looking for is a breed which does not depend on daily mental stimulation and working. Look for medium energy dogs. As you wrote in the beginning, some keywords for the bc was “sheep dog/working dog and mental stimulation”, if these are the keywords and you can’t offer that, then it’s probably not a suitable breed. So Instead of looking into working dogs look at medium energy, active companion dogs. For instance, you mentioned Golden retriever. This is a much more suitable breed and those are the kind of breeds you should aim at.

As for your schedule I think it sounds great, now you just need to find a breed which suits that life and which you would enjoy. You’ve given great information on what you can offer the dog but how about you? What kind of dog do you wish for? What size? How much grooming? A friendly or more reserved dog? One who will alert or be quiet? Will to please/easy to train? Doyou aspire to walk him/her off lead/low prey drive?

The amount of time which the dog is left alone sounds fine to me (for an adult dog). But only if the dog is okay with it of course and get a lot of attention and time when you’re home. There are some breeds which are more prone to separation anxiety so it would be good to avoid those however.
 
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