i forgot to say this!!!! and this is funny because i've conditioned clover (took a long time) to raised voices... lmao... i'm loud and i don't want that to upset him all the time! anyway, he doesn't find yelling particularly scary.Punishment is whatever the dog doesn't like and takes as aversive/intimidating. In example my dog finds raised voices to be very punishing. Even if the voice is not directed at her.