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Hey all, I am new here. I have a 13 week old boxer puppy that since I got her at 8 weeks old has had struvite crystals in her urine. I have tried everything I can find and the vet isn't being a lot of help. She is too young to eat the prescription foods to dissolve the crystals and I was told I would just have to wait until she's old enough to eat it. She asks to urinate every 5-10 minutes which is very frustrating when you have stuff to get done and kids to take care of. So this is what I have tried so far... I have put her on distilled water, she is on a cranberry/mannose supplement, probiotic, methionine, solid gold berry balance, she is eating raw primal food and I add extra water to her food. I don't know what else to do. Everytime I test her urine her ph is 8-9 and has tons of crystals in it. Urine culture was negative for bacteria but was on a round of clavamox anyways. Any other ideas? And any ideas as to why such a young dog would have this issue already? We are so attached to her and the breeder has offered to take her back but I'm not sure I can do that!! Thanks for listening
 

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How long has the dog been eating primal? And only chicken? A dog can't live on chicken alone, it's not balanced. It'll probably be cheaper to feed from the grocery store. The dog is going to need beef, pork, and whatever else - as well as organs.

So there's no infections?
 

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She is eating primal raw chicken formula and it is a balanced meal with chicken and fruits and veggies. She has been eating it for a month. And no there's no infection. We sent in a urine culture and no bacteria.

ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Necks, Chicken Gizzards, Organic Kale, Organic Carrots, Organic Squash, Chicken Livers, Organic Broccoli, Organic Apples, Cranberries, Blueberries, Organic Pumpkin Seeds, Organic Sunflower Seeds, Montmorillonite Clay, Organic Parsley, Organic Apple Cider Vinegar, Salmon Oil, Organic Coconut Oil, Organic Quinoa Sprout Powder, Dried Organic Kelp, Alfalfa, Vitamin E Supplement.
 

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This is why I don't like the packaged raw meals.

That's sort of a balanced meal, but not a balanced diet. An unbalanced diet can actually lead to many medical issues, and from what I've read can throw the PH off as well.

Nowhere in that list do I see organ meats - liver, kidney, pancreas etc. And like I say, dogs can't live on basic chicken alone, raw fed dogs need variety. Organ meats are a must.

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What do u suggest? She was eating Iams when we got her from the breeder then the holistic vet recommended switching to vegan food to dissolve the crystals, which I did for 3 days then after reading on the Internet that vegetables actually cause the urine to be alkaline I switched to primal and haven't talked to the vet about food again
 

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What do u suggest? She was eating Iams when we got her from the breeder then the holistic vet recommended switching to vegan food to dissolve the crystals, which I did for 3 days then after reading on the Internet that vegetables actually cause the urine to be alkaline I switched to primal and haven't talked to the vet about food again
Iams is bad. Raw is great, but needs to be done properly. This is a great guide to starting out.
How to get started feeding a Prey Model Raw Diet - Raw Chat - PMR Articles - articles - Prey Model Raw

I'd stop feeding the bag meals and start buying meats at the grocery store. If you're going to maintain raw, switch the dog to pork as soon as you can. Then you can transition to beef.

It doesn't need to be organic or top of the line, but feeding raw correctly is very important. And likely cheaper than these bagged meals. Many times I buy frozen whole meats that are discounted.

It's generally a recipe of 80% meat with fat - they need the raw fat.
10% edible bone - it has to be edible.
10% organ meats. What I do is buy a bunch of organ meats - liver, kidney, pancreas, tripe etc - into a blender. Put it into flexible silicon trays - I buy those from local donation stores for cheap and freeze.
 

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My Doberman when she was a puppy had struvite crystals. She was checked out by the Vet and as she had no infection (no UTI) and as she was a puppy they did not want to put her on any prescription diet, I actually did not do anything.

I feed a good brand of kibble and it cleared up on its own and she has never had a problem since.
 

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My Doberman when she was a puppy had struvite crystals. She was checked out by the Vet and as she had no infection (no UTI) and as she was a puppy they did not want to put her on any prescription diet, I actually did not do anything.

I feed a good brand of kibble and it cleared up on its own and she has never had a problem since.
How long did it take to clear up? It's been 5 weeks now and she still pees every 5 mins. ?
 

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Kris was fine within a few days. Are you sure she does not have a UTI? Sometimes when they check them they see no infection but it sure sounds like your dog has a UTI. Some articles I read said for those type of crystals there is no need to change their food but it should not be going on for this long.
 

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Yeah I am pretty sure. She has had a urine culture done which showed no growth and multiple urinalysis that showed no bacteria, just lots of crystals, high ph and white blood cells every time ?
 

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Hey all, I am new here. I have a 13 week old boxer puppy that since I got her at 8 weeks old has had struvite crystals in her urine. I have tried everything I can find and the vet isn't being a lot of help. She is too young to eat the prescription foods to dissolve the crystals and I was told I would just have to wait until she's old enough to eat it. She asks to urinate every 5-10 minutes which is very frustrating when you have stuff to get done and kids to take care of. So this is what I have tried so far... I have put her on distilled water, she is on a cranberry/mannose supplement, probiotic, methionine, solid gold berry balance, she is eating raw primal food and I add extra water to her food. I don't know what else to do. Everytime I test her urine her ph is 8-9 and has tons of crystals in it. Urine culture was negative for bacteria but was on a round of clavamox anyways. Any other ideas? And any ideas as to why such a young dog would have this issue already? We are so attached to her and the breeder has offered to take her back but I'm not sure I can do that!! Thanks for listening
Well, as long as she is still able to pee and not blocked, the crystals being so small can dissolve, but I certaily wouldn't feed any dry commercial kibble of any form. Wet food is what you want, but with that said the primal formula you are feeding, while not a dry food, isn't a complete diet overall, but for a meal is fine. Also, keep in mind it is commercial and you really don't know for sure what ingredients are really there. They can throw in other stuff without your knowledge(as all commercial foods can do). One prevention of crystals is little to no carbs, (which is impossible with kibble), and no grain. It could be in the commercial raw, and you don't realize it. Even tiny amounts. So, prey model is going to be your best bet, but start giving some turkey for a week, then move to pork. True raw has lots of water.

The cranberry is fine, and can help in dissolving the crystals, but if there is any type of infection, the cranberry isn't going to do anything. It doesn't cure something already exsisting, but it will help prevent bacteria build up in the bladder before it starts to cause an infection. It's really more of a preventative. If your PH is 8-9, that's not too terrible high, and they should be able to dissolve. A neutral PH is around 7.

If you don't want to go to full prey model raw, then considering wet food is a big preventative to crystals and stones, then canned or some sort of wet is what I would feed full time.
 
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