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Hello!

This may be a long shot, but I am looking to purchase a Shih Poo puppy for my daughter as a birthday present.

We are a young family, own our home, have a vet, fenced in back yard, and someone is always home at our house. My husband actually works at a Doggie-Day-Care facility, and gets discounts on grooming for working there. I used to work as a Veterinary Assistant. Basically, I am saying that we are good people, with lots of dog experience and can offer a great home!

I have settled on a Shih Poo because I like them
. From what I have read, this mix will suit our needs.

We like to purchase within the first week of April. We live in Pennsylvania, in the Allentown area.

Does anyone know of a breeder of Shih Poos in this area, that might have puppies available in April? I would seriously appreciate your help!!


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While I doubt anyone here is going to be able to find you a reputable "Shih Poo" breeder, as there is no such thing as a reputable designer dog breeder, we can help you find a reputable Shih Tzu or Poodle breeder.

Here's a link to help you in your search:

All AKC-Recognized Breeds Puppies for Sale - AKC Breeders - Puppy Tips


Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Breeds

Also, here's the sticky on designer dogs, and why you should reconsider purchasing one. If you are looking for a "hypoallergenic" breed, the Poodle would be great. :)

http://www.dogforum.com/dog-breeds/truth-about-designer-dogs-11809/


Please read it thoroughly, and educate yourself on why you are interested in either of these breeds (as in, see what behaviors these breeds display, health issues, etc, not just because you like it), and how you can purchase one responsibly. Or rescue one, and save a life. :)

For the sake of the dogs that are being used for profit by horrible people, and who are dying in shelters every day, don't purchase a designer dog.

Do the responsible thing and save yourself possible a ton of money, future heartache, behavior issues and high vet bills, and get a purebred pup from a reputable breeder or go to a shelter and find a "designer dog" that has been discarded. I can guarantee you, you can find the perfect best friend for your family without supporting people like backyard breeders and "designer dog" (mutt) breeders.

You will also be saving the ridiculous amount of money you'd be paying for a mixed breed dog that can be found in shelters, and that money can go towards your new dog's vet appointments, training classes, and just plain spoiling. On top of that, if you go to a shelter or Shih Tzu or Poodle rescue, your dog will already come to you spayed/neutered, with all of it's shots, health and possibly temperament testing.

Please reconsider. :)

From a fellow Meghan. :)
 

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Hi Meghan!

Thanks for your reply!

Unfortunately, shelters in my area have mostly large breed dogs and pitbulls. I am not interested in either. Also, any breed specific rescues that I have found for Shih Tzus will not adopt to us because my daughter is four. We are more than able to take excellent care of a dog/puppy.

I am open to a purebred Shih Tzu. I have read up on them, and feel that they would suit our lifestle. I would not want a purebred poodle. I like the Shih Poo mix aesthetically, and do not know of a purebred dog thats looks similar to this mix. But, like I said, we also like pure bred shih Tzus.
 

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The thing about shi-poos is that because it is a mix of two different breeds, the end result of appearances (and coat type) is quite a toss up. So if looks is all you are going by, I'd urge you to reconsider. (I'd urge you to reconsider anyways, for some of the reasons Megs87 described.)

By the way, I'm sure you are aware that your state is notorious for puppy mills. Please use extra caution and diligence in selecting your breeder. If you have any questions about any of them, this forum is a great place to ask. (We're pretty good at finding red/yellow flags.)

Check out all of the pages from the "Before You Get a Dog" menu from this page: Home | American Shih Tzu Club There is a lot of helpful info there. Here's a list of recommended screenings for the parents: Shih Tzu Breeder Guidelines This is a decent page for health info: Shih Tzu Dog Breed Information and appropriate screenings the parents should have. More health concerns: Learn about Shih Tzu diseases

IF you still go with a Shi-Poo, make sure the parents have all of the health tests required for both breeds. So they should be tested for the above and below: Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information and Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information for poodles. You can at least confirm all of the OFA results at offa.org.

Good luck. Shihtzus make great little companions. :)
 

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Puppies and young children do not mix well... Lots of bites and injuries so please no matter what you decide, always supervise your child and understand what is appropriate and not appropriate handling.
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Have you looked into toy poodles or shih tzu's individually?

Breeding mixed dogs is always a crap shoot. The dog could look or act WAY more like one breed than the other. What specifically about the shih-poo appeals to you? If you have a specific list of requirements, many people here would be more than happy to give you some breed suggestions that you can buy from responsible breeders.
 

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if you don't like poodles then why do you want a dog that is 50% or even more poodle and will likely have some of not all the aspects of the poodle temperament?
 

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Hi Meghan!

Thanks for your reply!

Unfortunately, shelters in my area have mostly large breed dogs and pitbulls. I am not interested in either. Also, any breed specific rescues that I have found for Shih Tzus will not adopt to us because my daughter is four. We are more than able to take excellent care of a dog/puppy.

I am open to a purebred Shih Tzu. I have read up on them, and feel that they would suit our lifestle. I would not want a purebred poodle. I like the Shih Poo mix aesthetically, and do not know of a purebred dog thats looks similar to this mix. But, like I said, we also like pure bred shih Tzus.
Looks are the last thing you should use to determine getting a dog.
 

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Thanks to everyone who posted.

What kind of dog would YOU pick for me?

We already have a 4 1/2 year old male boxer - Yes, he is neutered, and up to date on all vaccines. I work days, and my husband works nights on weekends only, so someone is always home. We have an active lifestyle - my boxer goes to work with my husband at a horse farm m-f for an hour or two. Hubby also works over night at a cage-free doggie daycare/boarding facility.The boxer goes with him there as well. Boxer has attended obedience classes, is extremely well socialized - and just in general a great dog.

My daughter is very familiar with dogs, as we got the boxer when she was much younger, and she grew up with him. Might not be what some consider an ideal situation, but it worked out well for us.

We considered getting another boxer, but I did not want another large dog.

I would like a dog that will be between 15-25 lbs full grown.

Minimal shedding - needing to be groomed is fine.

Want to purchase a puppy from a breeder - at this point, I am not interested in rescue - UNLESS it was a young enough puppy that hasn't developed bad habits, etc. My experience with rescues in my area is that they will not adopt to us anyway, as my daughter is young. Again, I understand your concerns about kids and puppies, but I feel confident that we can handle this.

I am willing to spend up to $1000 on a puppy, though would prefer less than that. I do not mind purchasing an 'older' puppy from a breeder, but prefer it be less than one year.

Aesthetically, I do like the 'fluffy' dogs - Shih tzus, Havanese, etc., and mixes of... I understand that 'Looks are the last thing you should use to determine getting a dog.' - however, is it not ok to have a preference? My husband loved the boxer breed, and he found a breeder who had done all the health clearances etc., family raised, and we got a LOVELY dog. I naturally would do the same, and require health testing me done on the parents of ANY dog I purchased. I was unaware that this would not be standard for so-called 'designer breeds'. Thank you for giving me that information.

I am not trying to 'ruin two breeds' - to say that is harsh and inappropriate. I do not have a lot of experience in purchasing puppies, and certainly was not aware that Shih Poos and the like are causing such an uproar. I think that some of you attacked rather rudely, and should take in to consideration that not everyone has the knowledge that 'you' do.

I posted here to get information, and I thank those of you who are steering me in a different, better direction. However, some of these responses are just ridiculous, and if they continue, I will just leave this site and look elsewhere for information.
 

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Bichon Frise
Bolognese
coton de tulear
Havanese

lhasa apso
shi tzu -both of these breeds are known to be a bit more independent and cat like.

Chinese crested (comes both in hairless or fluffy which is called powderpuff)

reconsider the poodle you might have met some very neurotic ones but thats not how they are supposed to be of you go to a reputable breeder and check out the temperament of the parents and the breeder is honest about the line you should get an intelligent and human orientated dog that is energetic but with an off button.

cocker spaniel either american or english perhaps.
 

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Of the breeds you posted, I like the Lhasa Apso, Havanese and Shih Tzu the best, visually.

As for the poodle, it is not the temperament I have a problem with. I just don't like the way they look. Call me crazy, but they just are not my cup of tea.

Would you have any breeder recommendations for within 100 miles of Allentown, PA? I will not purchase a puppy site unseen, so need to make sure it is within a decent driving distance.
 

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well personality wise im not sure how the lhasa's and the shih tzu's will be with your daughter not worried about aggression but they might be just more uninterested, they are not as human orientated so personally I would go with the havanese.

keep in mind a small dog is more likely to be a bit frightened of your daughter than larger dogs. Thats why the usually advice is not to have small dogs and small children in the same home, its doable if your vigilant and make sure to raise your small dog puppy with as much care as you did with the boxer.

I can't recommend a breeder Im in England but I can give you hints on reputable breeders

1. Breeds only one or two breeds and titles their dogs in sports or conformation (dog shows)

2. has few litters per year and only has very few breeding dogs, often they might only have one or two litters.

3. They don't breed their bitches each heat many breed clubs and kennel clubs have rules for example the British Kennel Club only allows a bitch to be bred three times and only at a certain age. So not too young not too old.

4. Health tests I think the Havanese is relatively healthy but their eyes and knees should be checked, the results should be public and tests should be performed before mating.

5. If the dogs are not papered they are not purebred.

These breeders are not breeding simply to sell puppies they put great care into the quality of their line and breed. They should be breeding for health, temperament and breed standard. They will ask you questions and be honest and many will be a source of advice and information as your puppy grows.

They will likely have a waiting list its going to take a while to get a puppy don't expect to get one of quality within weeks.

you have a young child and a large dog you need to do as much as possible to get a dog with a great temperament.

find breed clubs they usually have a list of breeders.

Also check out the Lowchen they are a bit rare and they are shown in the lion cut (shaved bottoms) but their hair doesn't grow like that many pet owners keep them fluffy all over similar to the havanese.
 

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Hi Megz. Welcome to the forum!:)

Since you're from the Allentown area, I just wanted to give you a few links to different groups that might be able to help you out.:)

The Lehigh Valley Kennel Club.
http://lvkc.org/
Unforturtunately you missed their Canine Learing Experience (would have been great to help you talk to breeders and meet dogs of different breeds including some of those you are interested in). However you could go to some meetings, get to know the breeders and perhaps meet their dogs. Bare minimum you can contact the club and ask about breeders in the area.:)

Also consider checking out the shows put on by the Harrisburg Kennel Club.
I've gone to a few in the past. Those I attended were quite nice. Lots of breeders and dogs! There is one coming up in April IIRC.:)
Harrisburg Kennel Club -- Welcome Page

Definitely be very careful when choosing your breeder! Like already mentioned our state (especially the Lancaster area) is notorious for Puppy Mills and unethical breeding. :(
Health testing (the link to the CHIC website given to you earlier is fantastic) and titles on the parents should be a must! Especially if you are willing to pay $1000 on a puppy. :)

I also want to just suggest that you take a second look at rescues and shelters in the area. There are def smaller breed puppies up for adoption.;)
Pet Search Results: Adoptable Dog Pets in Allentown, PA: Petfinder
Hugs for Hounds has a cute little Pom puppy right now.;)
I don't know anything about the organization though so have no idea is they would place a puppy in a home with a young child. Still might be worth checking out if you would be open to going the rescue route.

As far as breeds go, I just want to echo that you should choose based on energy level and temperament first. Looks second.

Also really consider whether or not your boxer is going to be good with a very small pup. Sounds like your guy is a very well behaved gentleman. The boxers I know though tend to be quite energetic, pawsy, and enjoy rough play. That can be too much for many small pups. If your boxer does well with small dogs though, then no worries!:)
 

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I mean no offense by disagreeing with your suggestion, but pups4kids appears to be a puppy broker which buys and sells puppies from commercial breeders/puppy mills.:(
 
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