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I new when I researched the breed and got into Rottweilers. That they are very protective and wont let anyone on the property and are very stricted about new people coming in the house. Well Ive had Duke since he was 6 weeks old and he is now 1 yr. People have come in the house both genders he usually just barks twice we say no or enough and thats it he will sniff the person and then he sees that they are good and will let them in or accept them into our pack.

But today my mom brought her date home, for the first time. Duke REALLY went off. My mom told him No and to stop but he was still barking. He wasnt lunging or any thing but then the guy told Duke in a stern voice "NO! THATS ENOUGH" And kept telling him NO well Duke just saw that as a challenge. And my mom called me and Duke WAS NOT HAPPY. He came to me but he didnt want to leave the guy alone.

Also Duke made a Musky smell! I never new dogs could release a musk like this... I mean my hands and jacket smell. I only grabbed him by the scruf to take him out side. Has any one else known a dog to do this?

I also know that dogs have a good judgment of character. Should I listen to my dog and be on my toes about this guy? Or does Duke need more socialization. Ive never seen him act like that... Even when other men are in the house.

What should I do training wise? Ive never had this come up. any advice I would LOVE!

Thanks in advance!
 

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An update on how much Duke does NOT like this guy. Duke has been out side for the whole time that the guy has been here. He went to go to the bathroom and Duke freaked and was barking. Now Duke is going off because the guy is getting ready to leave.

Actually Duke has more of a growl/bark...
 

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If he is not charging the guy likely the dog is afraid of the man. Barking is a distance increasing behavior. Hes trying to make the scary thing go away.

Is there a neutral place you can work on the training thats not inside?...will he react the same way in the yard? The street? At a park?

If the guy can get near him find the highest value treats you can (chicken probably) and have the guy stand sideways(not head on) to the dog and feed him the chicken.

If he wont let him have the guy toss the chicken from as close as the dog will let him without barking at him. Praise praise praise anything that is not barking.

Ignore the bad stuff. Yelling at the dog will only increase his anxiety, you want him to calm down. If he panics and barks you went too far too fast and that isn't the dogs fault.. Set him up to succeed and not to fail.


good luck and if you have more questions just ask.



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On the other hand, if it were me and it were my mom, I'd be watching that guy like a hawk. Kids and dogs are awfully good judges of character.
 

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lol hes not anymore! We were having a house inspection the week after this guy came over. So I had Duke outside so it would be faster and he wouldnt get his big butt in the way.
So he sees the lady through the glass and is barking, then he calms down if she is close to me he starts barking again. He even slammed up against the window!
I was doing what Criosphynx said and ignor the bad stuff. I just didnt pay any attention to him. I said sorry to the lady and hes not usually like this but hes been on edge lately. And she said "oh thats ok hes just trying to protect you like a good dog"
So I figured she was ok about him barking through the glass, I still didnt pay any attention to him. I then told her about Jack and what had happened and how the guy challenged Duke by saying NO thats ENOUGH. And Duke hasnt been the same since cause NOW hes barking at every little weird sound. So anyways now she has to go near the slider door to look at some thing. Duke barks, what does she do she tells duke off "NO! Be quite!" And duke ofcourse just goes off even more.
Its like I just told the lady that duke does NOT do well with people telling him no and he sees it as a challenge. I dont get why people would go up againsts a large Rottie who just body slamed the glass door!

So ignoring the barking doesnt help with this boy, Ive started yelling at him every time he barks for no reason or if its something stupid like the cat. But im letting him know when its ok to bark, or when I dont feel safe. Someone out side ect. he can bark. But only a couple times then I tell him no. So right now we are working on bringing him back down.

But honestly I just dont get why people try to tell him no or be the dominant one. You know? Hes a big boy id try and get on his good side and be all "Nice doggy" lol Here is a pic of my boy! This was actually a couple months back he wasnt even a year so hes much bigger then this.
 

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Ok here is a recent pic of my baby! I love him so much he is my world, Ive never had a dog like this or that I felt so passionetly about. And I thought my wolf hybrid that got stolen was like a son to me well that dog doesnt even compare to Duke. Honestly Duke has healed my whole heart if something was to happen to him I think I would either die or go into the looney bin!

Heck I even took on a couple rottweilers and an english Mastiff to protect him.
Their the dogs down the street, two rotts, one mastiff and a border collie mix, they all went after duke when we were trying to walk to the trail. They took duke down. Luckily that time the owners were out side and stopped the fight. Another day we were walking didnt see all the dogs out side, so they charged us this time mamma bear mode kicked in and I pulled duke behind me and went after the female rott and kicked her in the ribs she went yelping, ran away. Then once she was far enough away I turned to the other dogs and they were like "uh..." They didnt want to mess with me but I went after them anyways. Since then we havent gone on a walk :( but that time the owners werent there.

Anyways lol, hes 1 yr and 3 months old. :D

 

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He's a real handsome boy :)

People challenging stranger dogs are asking to get bitten, especially if it's a large dog. They should just let the owner handle things, cause usually they just complicate things.

Are you or anyone else nervous when someone else comes over? that could tip him off. Also, how much exercise do you give him? Rotties need quite a lot of it, and it could be the reason for his barks.
It might be that since he met that guy, he's wary of all strangers, so more socialization would be good.
 

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Thanks! ^_^

You cant give rotts a lot of excersize when they are younger, I dont remember if its 1yrs that they can start having longer/hanrder walks or if its at two yrs. I know you have to wait till their muscles, joints get more developed. Oh but he does get a LOT of rough housing, if that counts as excersize. A lot of running around, jumping, I like to play rough with my dogs its fun ^_^ he also has a huge yard but we dont like to play out there cause its all muddy right now.

Im not nervous when people come over, I dont know if my mom was?
 

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Rotties are awesome, I'm considering adopting one (or another one of the big bully boys, I just love those breeds ^^)

You still can give him a nice half hour walk (or 2 separate half hour walks, one in the morning and one in the evening) each day, until he's 1.5 years, then you can give him an hour or more time walking if I remember correctly, Well, rouch housing does drain energy, so I guess that works as well :p I agree, playing rouch with the dogs is awesome :D

Well, dogs feed off energy, so it could be because your mom was nervous? it can affect different dogs with different intensity, I know that my old Bullmastiff used to get quite aggressive with guests when mom was nervous.
It could also be that he's developing a dominance problem...does he still obey you? or does he now try to ignore you?
If it's not that, sorry, that's all I can think of at the moment.
 

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What a handsome boy you have!

He has reached an age that I call make em or break em age. When dogs are between the ages of 8 months to 18 months they hit this stage that some dogs go through with no problems, and others need lots of training and socialization to get them through the stages that they go through.

Some dogs get aggresive towards people or other dogs. Some dogs show fear from people (and or other dogs.). The flight/fight responses get very high during these ages. Sounds like your boy has hit this age where he can become very aggressive or spoke from people.

You need to take him to obedience classes ASAP. This will help him a great deal and will socialize him with people and other dogs. Plus you can learn and teach him what is appropriate. All without any kind of yelling. Remember that yelling can set off a dogs prey drive.

You can't beat a well trained dog! And Rottie's are very very smart.

If you have a place that you can take him swimming, this is the best form of excersise for dogs. You wont' have to worry about his growth plates or injuring himself in the water as there is no impact on the bones. Swimming is great to build muscle and great for the whole body.

I would watch that guy like a hawk too! Dogs are great at picking up things from people that we don't.

Good luck with him! :D
 

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Rotties are awesome, I'm considering adopting one (or another one of the big bully boys, I just love those breeds ^^)

You still can give him a nice half hour walk (or 2 separate half hour walks, one in the morning and one in the evening) each day, until he's 1.5 years, then you can give him an hour or more time walking if I remember correctly, Well, rouch housing does drain energy, so I guess that works as well :p I agree, playing rouch with the dogs is awesome :D

Well, dogs feed off energy, so it could be because your mom was nervous? it can affect different dogs with different intensity, I know that my old Bullmastiff used to get quite aggressive with guests when mom was nervous.
It could also be that he's developing a dominance problem...does he still obey you? or does he now try to ignore you?
If it's not that, sorry, that's all I can think of at the moment.
I love bully breeds as well! They are so awesome...
Duke only obeys me! lol its kinda funny actually but since my mom never gave him attention when he was younger and she isnt here most of the time he doesnt really listen to her. But I just have to say one word and hes there. I do a LOT of dominance excersizes with him. Like food aggression stuff, which he was and is with other people/animals just not me now :eyeroll: and when we are rough housing I do a lot of dominance "play" like more eye contact. I have him on his back a lot and I either hold on to his muzzle or just keep him there till he excepts the situation which he never had a problem with me being the dominant one. Right now he thinks I can take him on. lol he knows im the head dog. Im pritty confidant that he wont try and challenge my leadership.


Dch- Im not going to take him to an obediance class, there are way to many nut jobs down in my area and I can train him way better then any of them. The only places I would consider taking him would be in seattle and I cant make it up there for regular classes. And again I can train this boy and I have taught him all his basic stuff like sit, stay, ect. And leading on the lead. His head needs to be behind my leg (domanince again, he needs to know im leading not him) Ive also taught him how to walk, trot, canter to virbal commands. Hes going to be my jogging buddy :D I also want to teach him how to pull cart, but Ive got to save up for a pony cart.
I tried setting up a puppy play date down here but no one would do it, so his only socialization with other people/dogs is at the barn.
 

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I agree, bully breeds are the coolest canines ^^
Glad to hear that you have him under control, though I personally wouldn't do physical dominance exercises with a full grown rottie, it could get me killed, lol, though I did rough house my old bullmastiff, and now my boxer lol.
Does he bark at all people now? or just those 2 people you mentioned? he just needs more socialization. Are people refusing a play date because he's a rottie? I hate when that happens, here no one would like to play with my boxer simply because she's a bully breed, the only dogs she can play with are a Husky and a Pitbull, and of course my neighbor's rottie (which happens to be the most will behaved dog in all of Nazareth) I hate all this discrimination against bully breeds, which is one of the reasons I'm looking to get another dog, so that he'll keep her company.
 

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lol, oh man me and this dog... I mean I have so much fun with him, playing! We like body slam eachother and chase eachother, if I bring my arms up like if I was going to jump then he jumps in the air. Its funny to see him jump cause he cant go that high and if he does get air he'll fall over because he cant balance off a tail.
I started the dominance excersizes when he was 6 weeks old when I got him so he knows what they are and what they mean. Not like I just introduced them to him when he was 6 mo old.

Since im out in the sticks no one really cares about their dogs, I mean they just let them roam the streets most of them get dumped or get hit. I dont know if its cause hes a rottie or they just dont care if their dog plays with other dogs, you know.

Today Jack is coming over again. So Im putting Duke on the lead. my mom is going to be outside to hand Jack treats (pork).
First thing is when Jack comes in He MUST shake everyones hands. I want Duke to go off body languadge, and shaking hands is a "friendly" gesture.
Duke will be at the sit for that part.
Then Jack will be on his heels crouching down facing away from duke and offer his hand, hopefully in a calm manner and hes not going to be scared for this.
If Duke sniffs the scary thing (his hand) then Jack gives a cookie. Cookies in other hand so hes sniffing Jacks sent not the meat.
ONLY BABY TALK..lol no scary, challenging voices.
If Duke is calm enough he gets the chance to be off lead, but if not then he will be on lead with me the whole time. Which doenst really matter cause he fallows me EVERYWHERE!
Hopefully everything goes alright and Duke will except Jack in the house. Wish us luck!
 

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Well it didnt work, I had to take duke out. No matter how much I worked with him he doesnt like him. Hes been with men before. Once he started again to challenge him AGIAN. thats when I had enough, duke didnt even take the meat. He didnt care he does not like him! I took him to my room and my poor baby was shacking to death! Ive never seen him have that much anxiety.
So im just going to keep my dog away from this guy.
At least Duke did listen to me lol he sat when I asked him to and stuff.

Oh well, its just the guy. Man I have never seen him that "crazy" over a guest.
 

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Hello again!

Well you know how you guys said in the beginning to "watch the guy like a hawk" and trust the dog because they can sence more energy and stuff like that. Well I was listening to what he was saying today and mind you this is the second time hes been in my house
Hes talking about
-Rapists
-Guns
-How hes had trouble with cops
-Drug busts, drug lords
-Child porn
OH yah and about how this 60 yr old guy wanted to date his 13 year old sister and how he told the guy if he went near his sister or his niece he would shoot him with a rifle.

Im sorry but all those are HUGE warning flags. What person goes to someones house for the second time and second time ive met the guy and talks about all those kinds of things!

So how do I tell my mom is me or him. Because if she gets more serous with this guy im out of the house! I dont want him around me or the house. Frankly I dont want to see him again! How do I say this without it ending to a huge fight.

Im taking duke to the barn today so he can blow off some energy and have something positive for the day. My poor dog ive never seen him shake that bad. Jack wanted to try again to meet him he said "since hes had time to cool down" Uh the dog is still barking at you! I was like no!
Everytime I went back in the room Duke looked at me like "am I in trouble"
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He sounds like a really awesome dog ^^ make some videos if you can :D
Looks like Duke was right, go make him a nice doggy cake ^^ that guy sounds like a real scumbag.
Well, did your mom hear the guy talk about those stuff? you could just talk to her, I mean, she's your mom, not a stranger. She'll listen to you. Talk to her before it gets serious with that guy.
 

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It could also be that your dog is jelous of the new man. My dog was jelous of my girlfriend at first. Though the more that she had come over and spent time with Kayla (my dog) the more she got used to her. I even had my girlfriend give her a treat when she would visit. Now the barking only really happens when Joi (my girlfriend) doesn't say hello to her.

ooooooooooor....it could be that the dog senses that the guy just isn't safe. Then good on your dog!
 

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I aquired a pit mix about 2 years ago now. and she was one that needed some socialization. Even though I'm sure you can do the training on your own I would highly suggest taking her to some classes because it's the socialization that you get from those classes that helps the dog grow. I now have a pit that is amazing with kids, men, women, and when I got her she was scared to death of men especially large, and would turn and run the oppisite way. I now take her camping and she's off leash often, and listens the best. You may also want to try some agility once he's older to help as well. She grew emesily with doing agility.
 

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MikeT- We did try having Jack give the treats thats when duke smelt them and looked right in Jacks face and started barking. And Duke woudnt be jelous of Jack because Duke isnt even really bonded with my mom. Hes my baby he doesnt even really listen to her...lol its kinda funny. Cause she will be like sit sit sit and I just have to think about him and he comes over to me. Sometimes he listens to her. But if im around then he is a mammas boy.

Zanytactics- We dont have classes around here. I was told that I should be a dog trainer. And ive been thinking about holding some basic obediance classes here but Im not sure. If I did then I would have duke be my example dog.
Oh I have thought about if he doesnt do good in conformation classes/shows then I would have him in obediance trials. I think that since he is going to be a cart dog both agility and that would be to much I dont want to over do it and cause problems down the road.

And remember guys he has never acted that way with a guest before. Except after Jack and the house inspector lady came like a week and a half after the first time Jack came. And I told her that telling duke "no" he sees it as a challenge and she did it anyways :roll:
 
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