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is 10 day observation required everywhere? my 7 month old puppy bit and caused laceration in my 7 year old brother. doctors chose not to close the wound and gave my brother anti-rabies shot. they also told us that nothing would have happened to my brother as he had been given a shot only 2 hours after being bitten and he has to get another 2 or 3 shots over next 10 days. so the worrying about my brother part is over. now i have my dog to worry about. why would she have rabies? she has been vaccinated at 4 month old. has not had any contact with a rabid animal as far as i know. I mean had she been bitten wouldn't i have seen some unexplained wound? I've inspected every inch of my dogs body and she has no wounds. however she has been more aggressive in last month. she has always been a biter. she just tries to jump on everyone lately. she also has eye discharge. but again she has had eye discharge before. the day she bit my brother and when we saw our vet he has told me that i wouldn't be able to give her any medication for the next 10 days. so I can't give her drops or anything for her irritated eyes. should i be scared? is there any way she can have rabies?
 

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There's no reason to think that your dog might have rabies. If your brother's doctor had seen documentation of the dog's vaccination, then he might have elected not to proceed with the inoculation. But he was just being cautious and following CDC guidelines.

But you do need to get your dog into a training program to address the jumping and grabbing behavior. If he were to bite someone outside your family, you might have a visit from animal control, and you might have to get a lawyer.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/exposure/index.html
 

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Vaccinations aren't ever guaranteed to prevent. It can still happen. Here where I live, vaccinated or not there is still a ten day quarantine at a vet after a bite. I'm not sure about the people part though.
 

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It's very standard protocol (at least in the US, where I assume you also are) to do a 10 day observation period on a dog who has bitten and broken skin. I believe depending on your municipality, the rules differ on exactly what that means. It usually means limiting contact with the outside world, and in some places is so strict its akin to doggy house-arrest.

Did you tell the doctor(s) who treated your brother that the dog was up to date on her rabies vaccine? I would assume they'd be less likely to give a rabies series to a child if the animal was known to be up to date on its vaccine, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they elected to give the series anyways just as a precaution.

Don't worry that your dog has rabies- that is very unlikely.

I would worry that you 7 month old puppy has bitten and broken skin, though. In terms of the timeline of her aggression, it's not surprising she hasn't committed to the point of biting in the past. 7 months is young, just entering the beginnings of adolescence, and not an unusual age of onset for aggression problems. Given the young age of onset, however, and the fact that she is already biting and breaking skin, I would expect this problem to worsen or at least continue over time if not addressed.

What was the actual incidence that led to the bite?

I would HIGHLY recommend getting the assistance of a trainer with behavioral modificiation experience, and start working on this issue now before it possibly gets worse and/or she bites again.
 

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Puppies at least most I know of, go through phases, usually while they are teething, and will bite and chew often breaking skin. Not sure what the particulars were, that made the bite to your brother cause suspicion that your puppy might be rabid. I would venture to say, that it is very rare for an inoculated dog to contract rabies. I would stop just short of saying impossible, but IMO very close.
 

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There's no reason to think that your dog might have rabies. If your brother's doctor had seen documentation of the dog's vaccination, then he might have elected not to proceed with the inoculation. But he was just being cautious and following CDC guidelines.

But you do need to get your dog into a training program to address the jumping and grabbing behavior. If he were to bite someone outside your family, you might have a visit from animal control, and you might have to get a lawyer.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/exposure/index.html
Thank you for your reply. She has a trainer. Don't know how much success we are having but i'm trying to stay hopeful. The fear that she might cause harm to anyone outside family has made me choose times for her walks very carefully. We only go out when it's really early and really late so we can avoid most people. And when the people outside are the people she likes. Thanks again.
 

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Vaccinations aren't ever guaranteed to prevent. It can still happen. Here where I live, vaccinated or not there is still a ten day quarantine at a vet after a bite. I'm not sure about the people part though.
That's what scares me out of my mind. It can still happen. She doesn't have to stay at a vet. She's with me at home. They just told me to keep an eye on her and in case anything seems off during this 10 days i have to bring her in. Once again she's showing no signs of rabies. Still can't stop freaking out.
 

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It's very standard protocol (at least in the US, where I assume you also are) to do a 10 day observation period on a dog who has bitten and broken skin. I believe depending on your municipality, the rules differ on exactly what that means. It usually means limiting contact with the outside world, and in some places is so strict its akin to doggy house-arrest.

Did you tell the doctor(s) who treated your brother that the dog was up to date on her rabies vaccine? I would assume they'd be less likely to give a rabies series to a child if the animal was known to be up to date on its vaccine, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they elected to give the series anyways just as a precaution.

Don't worry that your dog has rabies- that is very unlikely.

I would worry that you 7 month old puppy has bitten and broken skin, though. In terms of the timeline of her aggression, it's not surprising she hasn't committed to the point of biting in the past. 7 months is young, just entering the beginnings of adolescence, and not an unusual age of onset for aggression problems. Given the young age of onset, however, and the fact that she is already biting and breaking skin, I would expect this problem to worsen or at least continue over time if not addressed.

What was the actual incidence that led to the bite?

I would HIGHLY recommend getting the assistance of a trainer with behavioral modificiation experience, and start working on this issue now before it possibly gets worse and/or she bites again.
Thank you for taking time to answer me. I live in Georgia, country not state. The protocol is watching the dog. If s/he doesn't die within 10 days of biting someone that dog is considered free of rabies. And the person bitten by the dog won't have to get additional two shots. It's not like she just started biting. She has always been like this. I have failed to teach her bite inhibition and now i have to deal with her overmouthiness. my pup bit my brother during play time. The leaves drove her nuts and the child chose a horrible time to run past a riled up dog. Im not blaming either. What im saying is that this was not an act of aggression. Still bad though.
 

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That's what scares me out of my mind. It can still happen. She doesn't have to stay at a vet. She's with me at home. They just told me to keep an eye on her and in case anything seems off during this 10 days i have to bring her in. Once again she's showing no signs of rabies. Still can't stop freaking out.
Why don't you get a rabies titer done? That will show immunity, and hopefully ease your mind. Like others have said, it's unlikely that she has rabies.
 

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Puppies at least most I know of, go through phases, usually while they are teething, and will bite and chew often breaking skin. Not sure what the particulars were, that made the bite to your brother cause suspicion that your puppy might be rabid. I would venture to say, that it is very rare for an inoculated dog to contract rabies. I would stop just short of saying impossible, but IMO very close.
She is through the teething period. It's just she doesn't really understand that her teeth don't belong on human skin. I have no idea why they chose to give my brother shots. They said that there have been few cases where the dog had been inoculated but still got infected with rabies. So they didn't take any chances. Thank you for your time.
 

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That's what scares me out of my mind. It can still happen. She doesn't have to stay at a vet. She's with me at home. They just told me to keep an eye on her and in case anything seems off during this 10 days i have to bring her in. Once again she's showing no signs of rabies. Still can't stop freaking out.
Why don't you get a rabies titer done? That will show immunity, and hopefully ease your mind. Like others have said, it's unlikely that she has rabies.
I didn't know that i could do that. It should have been offered to me by vet but he hasn't said anything. I'm going to call him and ask if it can be done. Thank you.
 

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Not all vets do them. You may need to call around and find one that does. Vaccines are a huge part of a vets income, so many traditional ones will likely try to talk you out of doing titers. If yours can't or won't, you may need to find a holistic one who will.
 

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Not all vets do them. You may need to call around and find one that does. Vaccines are a huge part of a vets income, so many traditional ones will likely try to talk you out of doing titers. If yours can't or won't, you may need to find a holistic one who will.

i have called all the vet clinics in Tbilisi and none of them do that. only one clinic told me that they could take the sample of dogs blood and then they would send it to Berlin for results. the result would be back in about a month. not helpful in my situation.
 

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today is 10th day since the bite. she looks and acts fine. eating drinking playing pooping peeing and biting just as usual. so I guess we are in the clear right? no need to keep panicking about rabies. thank you all for your replies. it really has helped me calm down a little bit.
 

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i have called all the vet clinics in Tbilisi and none of them do that. only one clinic told me that they could take the sample of dogs blood and then they would send it to Berlin for results. the result would be back in about a month. not helpful in my situation.
Wow, a month? Here in the US, we get the results in minutes, while still at the vets office.
 

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today is 10th day since the bite. she looks and acts fine. eating drinking playing pooping peeing and biting just as usual. so I guess we are in the clear right? no need to keep panicking about rabies. thank you all for your replies. it really has helped me calm down a little bit.
I would have to believe at this point you are fine as far as your pup having rabies. As I said, I would stop just short of saying an inoculated dog can not contract rabies, but its certainly an unlikely scenario. If the biting doesn't get better, I would certainly get a qualified trainer involved. Dogs can be trained to not bite, with the right trainer and positive reinforcement.
 

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Wow, a month? Here in the US, we get the results in minutes, while still at the vets office.
Not for rabies though. Only a few labs do the FAVN (or RFFIT) testing, which is the rabies titer. KSU, for example, says 3-4 weeks, and IME (have known a few dogs exported to Hawaii who had to have a titer) that has been the case. Also, I don't know how reliably the titer can determine immunity vs exposure vs active infection?

My understanding is that the reason most areas implement a 10 day quarantine is that progression of the infection means that if the virus is present in a dog's saliva on a given day, it will have begun affecting the brain and dog will be symptomatic within 10 days. Animals can be exposed, but not symptomatic for a greater period than 10 days, which is why the quarantine period is much longer and more strict for unvaccinated animals- in my area if an unvaccinated dog has potentially been exposed to a rabid animal, they require euthanasia or a 6 month quarantine period by either a veterinary or animal control facility to observe for symptoms.

It may help put your mind at ease to speak with your vet regarding the likelihood that your dog would actually have rabies. For example, in my area, the odds of a given dog not developing immunity due to vaccines AND encountering a rabid animal to become infected are quite low, but things may be different where you are, particularly if there is a large stray animal population. They will have a better idea as to the actual level of risk in your locality.
 

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Not for rabies though. Only a few labs do the FAVN (or RFFIT) testing, which is the rabies titer. KSU, for example, says 3-4 weeks, and IME (have known a few dogs exported to Hawaii who had to have a titer) that has been the case. Also, I don't know how reliably the titer can determine immunity vs exposure vs active infection?

My understanding is that the reason most areas implement a 10 day quarantine is that progression of the infection means that if the virus is present in a dog's saliva on a given day, it will have begun affecting the brain and dog will be symptomatic within 10 days. Animals can be exposed, but not symptomatic for a greater period than 10 days, which is why the quarantine period is much longer and more strict for unvaccinated animals- in my area if an unvaccinated dog has potentially been exposed to a rabid animal, they require euthanasia or a 6 month quarantine period by either a veterinary or animal control facility to observe for symptoms.

It may help put your mind at ease to speak with your vet regarding the likelihood that your dog would actually have rabies. For example, in my area, the odds of a given dog not developing immunity due to vaccines AND encountering a rabid animal to become infected are quite low, but things may be different where you are, particularly if there is a large stray animal population. They will have a better idea as to the actual level of risk in your locality.
our vet has all titer results back in a matter of about 15-20 minutes. Including rabies.
 

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My experience of rabies. I was working in Uganda and had been away for the weekend. When I got home the compound puppy I had befriended seemed poorly. I picked him up to take to the vets and he bit me. Even then I didn't think 'rabies'. However, when I put him in the landrover later to take to the vets he turned into a wild thing - tearing at the seats. Will never forget his face at the windows I later found that he had been attacking animals in the village that weekend. I also found out that a guy had been going round the village giving fake vaccinations. When in a more docile state the dog was put in a shed where he howled all night then died We couldn't find the person with a gun to shoot him. Me I was taken to the doctor in Kampala where I was given the first of a course of injections. I might be wrong, but I believe that if you begin treatment before symptoms appear you will be OK. Also the higher up the bite is, the quicker it progresses. There was a family from Zaire living in the same compound. The kids had befriended the dog and apparently even a lick over broken skin is risky so I insisted that everyone have precautionary vaccinations. It was probably overkill but rabies is not to be messed with.
 
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