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I am looking for help with what to feed a 17 week old Beagle pup currently eating IAMS puppy formula. I started him on Eukanuba Excel after we picked him up from the breeder @ 13 weeks, and that food was great! He was growing in a thicker coat, had NICE muscle tone, healthy energy levels and pooped once a day. Then the pet store stopped carrying it, and it is very difficult to come by online. I bought a different food on Amazon after the Excel ran out, and this pup lost muscle mass within a day, got fat, pooped 4-6x daily, and his coat thinned out.

Last week we picked up a bag of IAMS Puppy, and I noticed several things. He seemed to temporarily lose housebreaking (frequent urination), coat is thinning significantly but looks healthy otherwise, his activity has increased to the point where he's verging on hyper, and practically overnight he seems to have developed some dominance aggression issues. The latter is already being worked out with training, but I believe the high protein levels (30%) might be contributing to the increased energy levels, accidents and aggression that literally appeared within 24 hrs of starting him on it.

This dog was 100% housebroken in under 3 weeks, and was dominant but showed no signs of aggression previously, so obviously I am concerned that this food might be at the bottom of, or at least exasperating, these sudden onset problems.

So, we are looking for a puppy food that is no higher than 28% protein that is at least moderately priced and will not give us a direct pass into ye olde poor house.

My local pet store carries Blue Buffalo Wilderness, Pedigree, Royal Canin, Dog Chow, Nutro, Iams/Eukanuba, Science Diet, Red Barn, Merrick & Ideal Balance... plus a few others that I consider bottom of the barrel. Blue Buffalo is out of the question because of a.) price ($20 for 4lbs is ludicrous) and b.) 36% protein levels in a puppy food is equally insane.

Of those foods, I'm considering Ideal Balance, because it seems to have the best price/protein/quality ratio, and I like that Hill's has feeding trials behind their formulas. I am also thinking of trying Puppy Chow or Purina ONE (or Pro Plan, for that matter) after an 8 or so year hiatus from using that brand, and would love to hear opinions from anyone currently feeding it.

That being said, I am open to suggestions about any food that doesn't run over $15 for a 4lb bag. Thanks in advance for opinions/suggestions. It's been a while since I had a pup and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed!
 

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We use Science Diet. I buy from Amazon. Its $11.24 for a 4.5 lb. bag, but if you subscribe to automatic shipments, the price drops to $10.68. Our vet recommends Science Diet and our dogs love it.
 

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Thank you! I think the Ideal Balance is also made by Hills, so will compare those two when we go to the pet store.

If you don't mind, could you tell me what the protein/fat ratio is on the formula you're feeding? I'm seeing 26/16 on Amazon, but 30/19 on Hill's website :confused:
 

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Do some reading on how your dog's food can affect it's behavior......carbs are converted to sugar and we all know what too much sugar can do to behavior! There are quite a few articles on the subject of too much sugar/starch in most dog foods.
Corn, rice, potatoes, etc are all converted to sugar, starches are sugar......Google the subject and educate yourself, then when you pick a new kibble read the ingredient list! It could be why your dog is being so hyper!

P.S. There is an article by Dr Karen Becker called 'A Brilliant New Way to Treat Canine Problem Behaviors' you can Google....
 
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Most of the food you mentioned I would never feed. Science diet, purina, and Iams being the worst. You could get a deal at costco if you have a card their kirkland food or the natures domain is made by the taste of the wild company but is a lot cheeper.
 

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Thank you! I think the Ideal Balance is also made by Hills, so will compare those two when we go to the pet store.

If you don't mind, could you tell me what the protein/fat ratio is on the formula you're feeding? I'm seeing 26/16 on Amazon, but 30/19 on Hill's website :confused:
Its 21.5%, but I'm using the toy breed formula, since my dog is a tea cup morkie. I would think it would vary on your dog's size. Sorry I can't be more help.
 

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Its 21.5%, but I'm using the toy breed formula, since my dog is a tea cup morkie. I would think it would vary on your dog's size. Sorry I can't be more help.

You've been very helpful, thank you!

And just to update (if anyone cares), I compared several of the puppy foods available at my local Petland, and in terms of moderate levels of protein and calcium - one brand had such low calcium, it was astounding - I decided on the regular SD Healthy Development @ 26/16 protein:fat. Ideal Balance looked very good, but they didn't carry a puppy formula. I considered the regular Blue Buffalo formula, as opposed to the Wilderness, which was obscenely high in protein, but it was still somewhat cost inhibitive. However, it's a bit cheaper online, so I might try that if the SD is a bust.

That being said, its been two days on the new food, and Satan has effectively been exorcised from this puppy. He's been sleeping better, MUCH more soundly, has even energy levels, I haven't seen hide nor hair of the aggression issues, and accidents have stopped as well. So I think it was definitely the former food that possessed him, but I'm still not certain if lowering the protein had anything to do with it, or if the brand just didn't agree with him. Either way, he's calmer and coat is improving - he's already getting some fuzz on the underside where it had fallen out after a week on the other brand. Hopefully, it will continue to work, because his puppy food troubles were giving me a headache :hammer:
 

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When I got my GSD pup I ran out and bought a small bag of science diet thinking it was awesome stuff. After her on it for about a week she wasn't fairing so well on the exit end. Started doing some homework and it's not as highly rated/good stuff as I thought.

Looking at this and that and so on, I came down to the conclusion that Taste of the wild high prairie puppy was the best bang for the buck and nutrition wise. She's been on it since about ten weeks, and she's five months old next week. Cresting 50 pounds she's filling out nice and her coat is as healthy/shiny as could be!

I can find it at TSC locally or go with Chewy. I'd advise to purchase the 30 pound bags though as you save money. Get a big air tight pet food container and it will stay fresh.


https://www.chewy.com/taste-wild-hi...gclid=CKa9squorc8CFQEdaQod5SUK0w&gclsrc=aw.ds
 

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When I got my GSD pup I ran out and bought a small bag of science diet thinking it was awesome stuff. After her on it for about a week she wasn't fairing so well on the exit end. Started doing some homework and it's not as highly rated/good stuff as I thought.

Looking at this and that and so on, I came down to the conclusion that Taste of the wild high prairie puppy was the best bang for the buck and nutrition wise.

I tend not to take the sites that rate foods too seriously. Ingredients alone is not a good enough indicator of a food's quality, and places like DogFoodAdvisor are full of ingredient Nazi's that don't take feeding trials, sources, or results into account.

And we have no complaints here on the digestive end - this pup has been eating it since last Saturday and stools are firm & infrequent. We also had an issue with mysteriously thinning coat. It was becoming so bad, he was near bald on the chest/underside, but the molted fur has already grown back in, and the rest is turning thick and glossy for the first time since I've had him.

He' really thriving on it so well I'm tempted to switch my other dogs over to the adult version, despite it being a bit pricier than what I'm feeding now. Actually, I think the puppy formula may be too nutrient dense, because he had such a growth spurt immediately after starting it, I'm considering switching him over to the adult version to slow down growth.

However, I appreciate your suggestion for TOTW. I just took a look at it, though, and while it looks decent, ingredients wise, I don't feel comfortable going with products manufactured by Diamond, due to their quality control/innumerable recall issues.
 

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I tend not to take the sites that rate foods too seriously. Ingredients alone is not a good enough indicator of a food's quality, and places like DogFoodAdvisor are full of ingredient Nazi's that don't take feeding trials, sources, or results into account.

And we have no complaints here on the digestive end - this pup has been eating it since last Saturday and stools are firm & infrequent. We also had an issue with mysteriously thinning coat. It was becoming so bad, he was near bald on the chest/underside, but the molted fur has already grown back in, and the rest is turning thick and glossy for the first time since I've had him.

He' really thriving on it so well I'm tempted to switch my other dogs over to the adult version, despite it being a bit pricier than what I'm feeding now. Actually, I think the puppy formula may be too nutrient dense, because he had such a growth spurt immediately after starting it, I'm considering switching him over to the adult version to slow down growth.

However, I appreciate your suggestion for TOTW. I just took a look at it, though, and while it looks decent, ingredients wise, I don't feel comfortable going with products manufactured by Diamond, due to their quality control/innumerable recall issues.
Due what works for you, it was just a suggestion that's been working great for my dogs and pup. I wasn't going off just dog food advisor review/opinion. I wanted something quality I could find locally if needed and TSC carries it. Seemed to be one of their better offerings although the 4Health seems to be a good option which we might try once she's off the pup blend.
 
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