PMR questions

naturalfeddogs said:

I don't know about the stomach, I don't feed it. But if it's white like the store bought tripe, intended for humans then it has probably been bleached as well.

I wouldn't think tripe would help prevent cannon butt. I have never heard that. As rich as heart is, I would stick to adding bone to help with that. And yes, it sounds like you have the right idea with how you are thinking of starting with the heart, I would do that way for sure.

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It was white for sure i saw it with my own eyes and said to dad i cant feed that if its white because it will have been bleached and you cant feed if been bleached. So dad is learning alot and i may not post much in the raw feeding community on facebook or at all at times but i do read through RFC chat and see some posts where i learn a few things or so. that being one of them.

So glad i started this thread as you all so helpful and its building my confidence in balancing things out.

saw some lamb bones but werent sure if weight bearing or not so left them but honest it was this big tray for $3! were small pieces too.

what are classed as weight bearing bones? anything not sure on will post questions here im also hoping she slows down a bit when eating as she gobbles her food down i know the labs are fed dry food acana light and fit but to beat a lab at eating and such a little dog is amazing! even the CGC asssesor remarked on that and laughed thinking there would be food left after i patted her whilst eating nad then removed the dish. nothing left i wish i video his reaction was priceless

naturalfeddogs said:

Mine eat deer scraps from processors every year during deer season, and yep, the farts will gag a maggot. The farts seem to only last the first few days they are eating deer and then they are pretty much over. Fresh beef does it as well. just really rich meats.

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Thankfully and i mean that! the rabbit shoulder and tripe (she had tripe exculsively today to her delight) firmed it up enough that she didnt get diareha and got a somewhat normal looking poo just a tad soft looking but otherwise ive escaped the bad poo and smell that comes with it .

whew i dont know if i could of coped with really soft poo and diareha! she was really miserable overnight and today she snuggled into me on the bed then when i saw she went poo when she came running inside(was busy so didnt see her do the poo just noticed a poo on the grass and went to check it) i was most relieved now the gas will go completely!

Normally she is ok with venison and of course the company deny its the venison i think i know my own dog far better then they do. they say she has gastro bug! and its not their food as they sell that mix 1200 packs a week! however due to my instience they are looking into that batch. apparently they use human grade helicopter shot Fiordland wild venison. Should be highly palatable.

end of day i said i think we all need to remember that everyone is different with what can eat etc and that goes for dogs too.

Update:

Jessie did so well on the tripe only had firm solid poop! YAY!!!!!! so far touch wood still firm poop did notice a low odor fart that i can accept and live with she is going onto veal now with half a cube tripe for next 2-3 days to make sure all good there because bit nervous if just give her 137.5gm of it she will get diareha again which dont need.

I HATE tripe! i have learnt to open it outside and feed it outside lol :/ of course Jess loves it. she started on 125gm(4.4 ounces) a day but she lost 200gm! before she loses anymore upping to 2.5% of 5.5kg which is 137.5gm (4.85 ounces) a day

So i think i need to do a spreadsheet of how much of what she gets and what day! what a little piglet here is current pic though hair grown back and due a cut again at 5.5kg 12.12 pounds that is. its the perfect weight for her but she cant lose any more

hooray poop nice and frim /solid but gosh Jessie can do really long poops!!!!!!!!!!! im guessing 6cm longish!if not longer. However they will go back to nromal size now i hope. tripe and bone in rabbit sure helped. Did forget to prep thursday bone in meal but prepped that with 6gm liver and will include 11g kidney since she seemd ok with that.

Figure if feed it in the morning the bone in and organs then more chance of solid firm normal stools next morning then feed the meat (horse) in evening. Put her back on horse for time being for 4 days but will prep more horse with tiny bit of veal at a time maybe 20-50gm for few days before upping amount to full 137.5gm which is hard to get precise on scales so its 137 or 138gm i do.

So far maintaining the weight of 5.5kg which im happy about. gosh its alot to get used to esp with the move upcoming but better start now then when i get to uk where i have so much to sort out and she couldnt stay on the premade any longer so was no choice. Happy though i think her coat might be starting to get softer.

naturalfeddogs said:

What happened?

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Due to Jessies food intake going up so we can maintain her current weight (5.5kg) she needs 137.5gm of food a day. I calculated how much i had left and had to order more but due to lack of space in freezer i kindly asked dad to do me a favor and store the veal neck bones, lamb hearts, lamb kidneys, pig liver, pig hearts, lambs fry aka liver in his freezer for me can he please put it away as i got another order coming? he said yes i place them on backseat of his car and yesterday i got my order all good right?

well dad picks me up to take me to his and we about to walk dogs after estate agent been and left there was everything i asked him to put in the freezer he smelt it when got back all rotton! no wonder as its been really hot. When i got those it was with my money i have on low income. Now in weekend im to go with him to new world in thorndon and the city or even pak n save to get Jessie the most essential part of her diet kidney and liver! i wasnt bothered about the hearts it was the offal!

why? because i havent enough for a week only this week. honestly dad isnt that old at 57 and he forgets to do something for Jessie and i. was hoping to go to his and measure it out till i had room to store it now i cant.

think when i get the offal again im cutting it to size at the time before defrosting though.

naturalfeddogs said:

If you aren't going to be home for a while and you are worried about the poop issues, just feed a bone in meal, with no organ until you are there. Not getting organ right then isn't going to hurt anything at all.

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Ok if i dont end up going course in morning will make it evening thanks you are ever so helpful!

TiggerBounce said:

Is she ok with duck?

If so, duck feet are pretty awesome. They're boney pieces that are quick and easy to throw into any meal when you need to up the bone content a bit. I use chicken feet, but I know Jesse seems to be very sensitive to chicken, so duck is a good alternative.

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Duck im unsure about sadly when i tried a duck neck she had vomit and diareha. but then again she did have wormer so hard to say. Sadly woofles dont do samples so might have to risk it next order and try it? i wonder if butcher will have duck feet or one i can try. woofles have arriving today lamb briskets! so happy about that. we are unsure about veal as i introduced it far too fast so on horse for few days or so and will give 50gm veal with 87.5gm horse to see how it goes. if that goes well for 2 days try 80 then 100 then 120 etc till get to 137.5gm.

Also rang up a supermarket not to far from me to ask if have lambs fry or lambs kidneys yes to lambs kidneys at 4.99 each 2 packs left asked them to hold it for me dont care about the weight of them just need to get hold of it while can.

If i was to try duck again it would have to be tiny amounts at a time first. the lamb mix woofles have is lamb chicken nad fish so thats a no go atm.

At least Jessie has coming 50% offal that we badly need! thanks to dad not freezing it in time but he is paying for it.

So Jessie did this week have normal stools on tuesday onward so upped on thursday from 6gm liver to 10gm and from 13gm kidney to 16gm kidney. well everything happened at once worming vaccines annual and rabies and organ/bone in. Jessie has been having nasty farts and poop last few days so we are skipping the organ in the morning and doing bone in with tripe and tripe rest of tommorow then tuesday goat. Thursday she will get organ if poop normal.

yesterday was long and black today was light black with mint green mucus on top and i pick up her poo everytime esp on walks and i forgot to take the poo bag containing poo in it out the car before went in the house dad goes for a coffee(he told me its a normal poo on walk told him it isnt) and he gets back and says there was this terrible smell in my car. i thought it was a pair of trainers but it wasnt then i saw the plastic bag of dog poo and it was that it (swear word) stank badly. i laughed hard and said i told you it aint a normal poo.

that teaches my dad to tell me what a normal dog poo is lol.