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So I guess a lot of people using this site are American, I'm wondering what peoples views are on the UK pitbull ban?
 

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Honestly, I understand it. I do not hate pitbulls at all. I don't think they're awful dogs. I do however think that they can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. No matter what anyone says, they are more predisposed to being aggressive. It's what they were bred for.

I've met some incredibly sweet, well behaved pits. But then again I've been bitten by one. I've seen one attack and kill another dog. All breeds have some dogs that are aggressive. All breeds have ones that fly off the handle for no apparent reason. But it does seem to be more common in pits, and their size and strength makes it that much more devastating.
 

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I actually don't agree with it. I knew a girl from another forum who lived in the UK and had a Staffy. He was a very friendly dog, got along with everyone, and being a Staffy was also perfectly legal. However, she had some nasty neighbors that reported him as a "pit bull" and he was seized for several months while they did temperament testing and tried to somehow prove his lineage (he was a rescue dog). She got lucky - she got him back. Others who have undergone the same thing have had their pets euthanized.

There are a lot of issues within the breed, sure. High prey drive (typical of many dogs!) and they can be iffy with strange dogs (not unique to the breed, and education could go a long way here). However, both of those things can be relatively managed. I think the real issue comes from the popularity of the breed, and unstable people breeding unstable dogs purposefully.

I don't know what the answer is, if there even is one, but I don't think a breed ban is the right way to go. For one thing, most people can't tell an APBT from a Staffy, Cane Corso, Catahoula, or even a Lab. They see short hair and a 'blocky head' and game over. For another, if you outlaw one breed the people who want these tough, "protective" dogs -- IMO, the real problem -- will just move onto another. There's really no shortage of big, strong dogs.
 

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Which breed will be the target for the next ban, when these irresponsible people switch from APBT to another breed. Stupid people and poor breeding seems to be the problem. An outright ban isn't the answer. And like PoppyKenna says, most people can't tell a pit from almost any other breed. I've had people ask if my lab/pointer was a pit. He is not blocky in build, I'm not sure what these people were seeing.
 

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I understand why people are afraid of Pitbulls, they can do some serious damage. But, so can lots of other dogs, both large and small. I live in Ontario, where Pitbulls have been banned for 10 years, and guess what? There are still Pits and Pit-mixes everywhere. The ban simply does not stop people from getting these dogs, so I really think a ban is pointless.
 

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ban one breed the "wrong people" either don't register their dog, register it as a boxer/lab mix or just get another breed of the same type.
it makes it also very difficult to rehome the lot of SoKas in the shelters, which sre often great dogs.

I think making dog owners inform themself (a well-made dog handler license), informing children and adults how to act around a dog safely and a law that makes dogs, that have bitten a human, be mandatory muzzled and leashed in public, is more likely to reduce biting than banning one breed.
this should all be regardless of the breed. Even a yorkie can hurt a child badly.
an aquaintance of mine was bitten by one as a child in the naked foot and the sinews were damaged, so he was limping for a long time, because they didn't grew together the right way.
 
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Honestly, I understand it. I do not hate pitbulls at all. I don't think they're awful dogs. I do however think that they can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. No matter what anyone says, they are more predisposed to being aggressive. It's what they were bred for.

I've met some incredibly sweet, well behaved pits. But then again I've been bitten by one. I've seen one attack and kill another dog. All breeds have some dogs that are aggressive. All breeds have ones that fly off the handle for no apparent reason. But it does seem to be more common in pits, and their size and strength makes it that much more devastating.
I agree with this. I do think we have to look at the capability of the dog to do damage. I do think we cannot forget what is in a dog's breeding history, and we have to pay special attention to it. I think we have to be honest about these things to make owning pitbulls safer. I have perused many pitbull forums, and they agree.

I read a statistic saying dachshunds were one of the most aggressive dog breeds. I do not think a dachshund could have ripped my childhood toy poodle to shreds, like a pitbull did. 4 people tried to pry this dog's mouth open, but it would not let go. All of us had cuts and bites on our fingers and needed medical attention. We must consider both the aggression of the dog and it's propensity to do damage.

I think with the right owner that pitbulls can be great dogs. However, I think it's dangerous to pretend that pitbulls are golden retrievers.
 

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I hate it. Again, like others said it's understandable with certain things but...people are going to have dangerous dogs regardless of their breed. I full support things like neuter laws if someone has certain breeds (unless they are a registered breeder or other dog person), but breed bans in general are crap.
 

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I feel that it is foolish and don't agree with it. The DDA was put in place to ban fighting breeds which is why the Pit Bull and Tosa Inu were banned but the Dogo Argentino was also included which is not a fighting breed. Even more perplexing the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was not banned though they are a fighting breed and cousin breed to the Pit Bull, SBT are also extremely common and over bred, they make headlines because of the same reasons Pit Bulls here do.
If people see the Pit Bulls history and traits as making them more dangerous the same should apply to similar breeds and there are a lot which are prey driven and dog aggressive and there are those more likely to be aggressive towards people too.
Rotts, GSDs, Belgian Shepherds, Akitas, Bull Terrier, Cane Corsos, American Bulldogs, Presa Canarios, Chows, Central Asian Shepherds, the list could go on and on. I don't think all these breeds should be banned, I'm merely stating picking out a couple breeds because of their traits when so many others have the same traits doesn't make any sense in the name of public safety.


I actually don't agree with it. I knew a girl from another forum who lived in the UK and had a Staffy. He was a very friendly dog, got along with everyone, and being a Staffy was also perfectly legal. However, she had some nasty neighbors that reported him as a "pit bull" and he was seized for several months while they did temperament testing and tried to somehow prove his lineage (he was a rescue dog). She got lucky - she got him back. Others who have undergone the same thing have had their pets euthanized.

There are a lot of issues within the breed, sure. High prey drive (typical of many dogs!) and they can be iffy with strange dogs (not unique to the breed, and education could go a long way here). However, both of those things can be relatively managed. I think the real issue comes from the popularity of the breed, and unstable people breeding unstable dogs purposefully.

I don't know what the answer is, if there even is one, but I don't think a breed ban is the right way to go. For one thing, most people can't tell an APBT from a Staffy, Cane Corso, Catahoula, or even a Lab. They see short hair and a 'blocky head' and game over. For another, if you outlaw one breed the people who want these tough, "protective" dogs -- IMO, the real problem -- will just move onto another. There's really no shortage of big, strong dogs.
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I personally love pitbulls. I agree with what most of you are saying though. They can do a serious amount of damage and can be seriously dangerous if put in the wrong hands. It is up to the owner to train them and I understand that they are bred to be that way but a golden retriever could do a lot of harm as well and people still buy them! Of course it would take a lot to get a goldie going but I just hate it when people tell me that I shouldn't like pitbulls, rotwilers, pinchers, pointers and all of those dogs. I love any kind of dog! I think that it is wrong of humans to breed and create the pitbull and then blame them for being aggressive. It isn't their fault that they don't know any better. This topic just makes me smile at how many people feel the same way as me!
 

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It has been like 25 years they have been banned but there are still some pitbull's in the UK. Other dogs too were banned eg. dogo argentino, fila brasileiro and japanese tosa. I am not really for the ban because most dog owners really bond with their dog and it is unfair to take that away from them. I believe that if you love a particular breed and can train and handle them well then go for them.
 

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My first dog was a pitbull, or mix anyway. He was a great dog. I got him just before the Ontario breed ban came in. I spent a lot of time writing letters and lobbying against the ban.

So I do like pitbulls very much. Unfortunately, I do hope they cease to exist one day. It's not that they are any worse than any other dog breed. It's just that, when they are bad, they can be very, very bad....I'm talking about the fact that once one decides to attack it can be extremely difficult to stop them before severe damage is done. That is the issue with pitbulls. It's not that they are exceptionally mean dogs, they are just so strong and determined and your average human being is helpless to stop them. Yeah any breed can be aggressive. Most breeds will also stop their attacks after a good hard kick, or at least pause to consider if it's worth it...generally pitbulls do not care. They are designed to tolerate pain and keep up the attack. This is what makes them dangerous. in my opinion.
 

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Honestly, I understand it. I do not hate pitbulls at all. I don't think they're awful dogs. I do however think that they can be incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. No matter what anyone says, they are more predisposed to being aggressive. It's what they were bred for.

I've met some incredibly sweet, well behaved pits. But then again I've been bitten by one. I've seen one attack and kill another dog. All breeds have some dogs that are aggressive. All breeds have ones that fly off the handle for no apparent reason. But it does seem to be more common in pits, and their size and strength makes it that much more devastating.
Couldn't agree more.
 

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I personally think that the ban was incredibly stupid. Pitbull type dogs are not actually vicious, below I will be copying-and-pasting a speech I did on breed specific legislation.

Imagine this, you are a young child. You have a happy life, a happy family, a happy dog. But one day, this all changes. You are too little to understand the monumental change that is about to take place in your life, but it will impact you greatly. Your parents come home from work, teary eyed, and try to explain to you the situation. You don’t understand, but your state just enacted a law the says all pitbull-type dogs are banned. Your dog never hurt anyone, in fact, he’s been your best friend since you were a baby. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. But some people think otherwise. You have to put down your beloved dog, because no one you know can take him. All because of prejudice, and hate. All because someone believed the rumors and the hype. All because no one took a stand. And now, it’s not only the dogs that will have to pay, it’s the humans.

I’m sure at some point. you’ve made an assumption about somebody, or something. But you most likely have not gone to such lengths as to completely ban something with only rumors and prejudice to back you up. However, many cities, including Powell, have taken such measures to ban pit bull type dogs. (Breed Specific Legislation) According to the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association) “BSL doesn’t limit dog attacks” (AVMA) BSL is proven not to do it’s intended purpose, but it is still pretty popular. Why? Because of rumors that have been circulating around pit bull type dogs for many years, but have just recently gained the attention of the media. Now we all know that the media likes a juicy story. “PITBULL NIPS CHILD AFTER BEING THREATENED WITH A BASEBALL BAT” is not going to make big news, however “VICIOUS PITBULL MAULS CHILD” is going to be the story of the month. The media is smart, they know that people want to hear an interesting story. According to Newswire, “Incomplete bite reports are common.” (Newswire) A bite report includes the time of the attack, the location of the attack, the breed of dog, the sex of the dog, and the age of the dog, along with the victim’s personal information. If these reports are incomplete, it could completely change the outlook on the situation. According to the AVMA, “Many pit bull attack reports aren’t even pitbulls.” (AVMA) Now let’s think about that for a moment. A “pit bull” attack might not even be a caused by a pit bull! Pit bulls are often mistaken as Presa Canario, cane corso, rottweilers, American bull terriers, staffordshire bull terriers, and dogue de bordeauxs. Many veterinarians even admitted to not being able to accurately identify an American pit bull terrier. If a veterinarian cannot identify a pit bull, then we can not rely on a civilian in the spur of the moment to give us a correct identification. As a veterinarian from the AVMA explained, “A pit bull is in the eyes of the beholder.” (AVMA) Many people have different opinions on what a pit bull is. However, the majority of people do not even know what a true APBT (American pitbull terrier) looks like. A purebred APBT is long, lean, medium sized, floppy eared, and has a long skinny tail. When most people visualize a pit bull, they see a huge, thoroughly muscled, crop eared, dock tailed, slobbery vicious beast.
But we know that this is not true. Many people also try to justify their prejudice towards “bully breeds” with the rumor that “all pitbulls have predisposed aggression.” But this is also not true. According to the AVMA, “any dog can be dangerous.” (PR, AVMA) This is a point argued by many veterinarians and advocates. There are no studies that prove that pit bull type dogs are inherently vicious in any way, as many anti-pit bull coalitions seem to think. Another alarming piece of information is that a APBT (American pitbull terrier) is a breed, but the word “pitbull” is a general term and actually refers to several other pit bull type dogs. (APBT)This obviously would increase the bite statistics, because it combines the individual bite rates of each breed, not just APBT. Veterinarians have also found that a dog’s personality is based off of how they were raised. As one vet put it, “Bad situations create bad dogs.” (Newshire) You cannot expect a dog that has been chained up in a backyard, starved, and abused to be perfectly happy. That’s like telling a victim of abuse to get over it and be happy. Rehabilitation for abuse can take years for any species, so we need to treat them with tolerance, hope, and respect. The majority of dog attacks were caused by a child that interfered with an abused and/or chained dog. (PR Newswire) The biggest step to reducing dog bites is education. You would be surprised to know how many people do not know how to properly introduce themselves to a dog. Only when we can treat all breeds of dogs with respect will we then be able to stop dog bites all together.

Today, we need to open our eyes, and stop blaming the wrong end of the leash.
 

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I do not agree with the ban. Below I will copy and paste a speech I had to do on BSL.

Imagine this, you are a young child. You have a happy life, a happy family, a happy dog. But one day, this all changes. You are too little to understand the monumental change that is about to take place in your life, but it will impact you greatly. Your parents come home from work, teary eyed, and try to explain to you the situation. You don’t understand, but your state just enacted a law the says all pitbull-type dogs are banned. Your dog never hurt anyone, in fact, he’s been your best friend since you were a baby. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. But some people think otherwise. You have to put down your beloved dog, because no one you know can take him. All because of prejudice, and hate. All because someone believed the rumors and the hype. All because no one took a stand. And now, it’s not only the dogs that will have to pay, it’s the humans.

I’m sure at some point. you’ve made an assumption about somebody, or something. But you most likely have not gone to such lengths as to completely ban something with only rumors and prejudice to back you up. However, many cities, including Powell, have taken such measures to ban pit bull type dogs. (Breed Specific Legislation) According to the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association) “BSL doesn’t limit dog attacks” (AVMA) BSL is proven not to do it’s intended purpose, but it is still pretty popular. Why? Because of rumors that have been circulating around pit bull type dogs for many years, but have just recently gained the attention of the media. Now we all know that the media likes a juicy story. “PITBULL NIPS CHILD AFTER BEING THREATENED WITH A BASEBALL BAT” is not going to make big news, however “VICIOUS PITBULL MAULS CHILD” is going to be the story of the month. The media is smart, they know that people want to hear an interesting story. According to Newswire, “Incomplete bite reports are common.” (Newswire) A bite report includes the time of the attack, the location of the attack, the breed of dog, the sex of the dog, and the age of the dog, along with the victim’s personal information. If these reports are incomplete, it could completely change the outlook on the situation. According to the AVMA, “Many pit bull attack reports aren’t even pitbulls.” (AVMA) Now let’s think about that for a moment. A “pit bull” attack might not even be a caused by a pit bull! Pit bulls are often mistaken as Presa Canario, cane corso, rottweilers, American bull terriers, staffordshire bull terriers, and dogue de bordeauxs. Many veterinarians even admitted to not being able to accurately identify an American pit bull terrier. If a veterinarian cannot identify a pit bull, then we can not rely on a civilian in the spur of the moment to give us a correct identification. As a veterinarian from the AVMA explained, “A pit bull is in the eyes of the beholder.” (AVMA) Many people have different opinions on what a pit bull is. However, the majority of people do not even know what a true APBT (American pitbull terrier) looks like. A purebred APBT is long, lean, medium sized, floppy eared, and has a long skinny tail. When most people visualize a pit bull, they see a huge, thoroughly muscled, crop eared, dock tailed, slobbery vicious beast.
But we know that this is not true. Many people also try to justify their prejudice towards “bully breeds” with the rumor that “all pitbulls have predisposed aggression.” But this is also not true. According to the AVMA, “any dog can be dangerous.” (PR, AVMA) This is a point argued by many veterinarians and advocates. There are no studies that prove that pit bull type dogs are inherently vicious in any way, as many anti-pit bull coalitions seem to think. Another alarming piece of information is that a APBT (American pitbull terrier) is a breed, but the word “pitbull” is a general term and actually refers to several other pit bull type dogs. (APBT)This obviously would increase the bite statistics, because it combines the individual bite rates of each breed, not just APBT. Veterinarians have also found that a dog’s personality is based off of how they were raised. As one vet put it, “Bad situations create bad dogs.” (Newshire) You cannot expect a dog that has been chained up in a backyard, starved, and abused to be perfectly happy. That’s like telling a victim of abuse to get over it and be happy. Rehabilitation for abuse can take years for any species, so we need to treat them with tolerance, hope, and respect. The majority of dog attacks were caused by a child that interfered with an abused and/or chained dog. (PR Newswire) The biggest step to reducing dog bites is education. You would be surprised to know how many people do not know how to properly introduce themselves to a dog. Only when we can treat all breeds of dogs with respect will we then be able to stop dog bites all together.

Today, we need to open our eyes, and stop blaming the wrong end of the leash.
 

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Yeah agree with past posts. Which breed will be next Doberman, Rotty? Also owners with dogs that look like pit bulls. Its crazy.
How about stiffer laws on owners who fight these dogs and mistreat them?
 

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dobies and rotts have already had "their turn", they were the "bad dogs" of previous decades.

My guess unfortunately is that next will be the cane corso. here in Ontario they have become the 'substitute pitbull' and are popping up everywhere. Often poorly bred. I have seen a few limping around with obviously bad hips. they allow puppy mills to sell puppies at farmers markets here. I see 'cane corso mix' puppies every time I go with people snatching them up.
 

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sorry I meant where I live. I know they've been banned elsewhere. Here they are appealing to the same types of people that caused the pitbulls to be banned, its disturbing.
 

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I guess everyone has seen this TV show about Pit Bulls, but in case you haven't
it's on the Animal Planet Channel, Pit Bulls and Parolees
 
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