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While I do believe any can have problems, and any can be healthy... It comes right down to how healthy are the parents? Every breed has something notorious.. And it's true when mixing, you can cancel things out through genetics. Please note, I said CAN.. That's because a lot of breed issues need to be matched by both parents to have that come again in a pup. BUT not all aliments need to be double matched.. Those that don't need a double dose (same bad gene from each parent to match up) are able to continue to be an issue, even in mixed breeds. As a matter of a fact, new issues can be made if mixed breeds are being bred as though they are full bred, an issue that I delt with.
My Amal pup was half Bishon and half Maltese. She developed a disorder that is only seen between this mix. I got her when she was 3yrs. It was about 2 years later she started to have issues. She was on a very expensive med that was ultimately going to kill her, but she would die even sooner without it. We were one of the very few lucky ones... She lived to be 13 years old on this leathal medication. I have often wonderd just how old she would have gotten if she didn't get sick, and didnt need the meds. But I know how lucky I was to have her so long on it. She was the most expensive dog I have ever had, this mix... but free to get as she was a gift to me, And yet my Ocean and Feora, both mixes have always been in good health. A cocker spaniel I once rescued (was elderly when I got him) was fairly healthy.

The problem with breed bashing, or mix breed bashing, is that in most cases, people pick on things that are NOT specific to that breed. Things like being misbehaved? That's a training issue, I have seen dogs of all breeds misbehaved. I have seen all breeds have health issues, and their mixes.. I have seen all back yard breeders of both full and mixes be sold as something they are not, because it can be hidden in a puppy face or body, you don't find out till they start growing that the mini ausie isn't so mini, the full poodle wasn't quite Tcup, the shorter pit isn't so short, that mini husky is getting quite tall in an apartment where only little dogs are allowed, that this GSD isn't quite full bred looking as he gets older, and the chi is looking a bit tall to be full bred and so on... Back yard breeders will tell you anything to get you to hand over the money.. Here's one of my favorites.. "If you can't afford my prices, you can't afford these dogs anyway" I always laugh at that one. It's meant to make you feel like your not good enough unless you spend a lot getting a dog. Mix breeders are really good at throwing that out. Personally, in no way can I spend much money getting a dog, but have more then proved I can afford to care for them!! All my dogs I currently have were free.

So in the end, its really about the parents. What you like, and where you get. Getting from reputable breeders, you will pay a lot for that piece of mind for tested parents, pups with shots and anything else already spent on them. That doesn't mean things can't happen, but the percentage rate of getting a healthy dog is much higher because of the care and money put into them. These people rarely make money off their sells because it goes back to the dogs plus some. The back yard breeders price match the good ones and sometimes are even more, and they do and make a lot of money because its rare much of that goes back to the dogs. Your, in most cases, going to run a 50% chance either way, sometimes less with them. A lot of them, I have met some that don't care if their parents have health issues.. They want the money from the pups. --- And then theirs the oops dogs. They aren't bred, it was an accident. Again, as long as parents were healthy, you should get healthy pups. But you don't really know as the parents are not yours. You don't even know if they have had their shots. But if you adopt, again, taking all the chances, because you don't know where they came from at all...
Good people, bad people everywhere. Good breeding, bad breeding everywhere. It's in all breeds on both ends of the spectrum. To try and pick on one breed or mix and bash that one as if they are all the problem, is actually quite ridiculous, and is how things like breed bans get started.
Mixes have been around since forever. Even poodle mixes. I get irritated that they went from *free to good home* to *$2000.* (lets not argue on how free is bad. I'm just saying that's what it used to be, and pointing out the huge jump) for anyone to think it's only poodle mixes that did this, they are kidding themselves. (Only saying as an example) Because I am seeing it across the board. Go to Craigslist alone. There are so many made up names for all the different mixes that my head spins sometimes trying to figure out what the heck they actually have. $400 and up..

The dog world is crazy these days. Gotta always figure out what people are trying to pull on both the buyers AND sellers side of things. To have breed bashers, well that doesn't help and is a disservice to dogs in need of that breed.

This isn't to offend anyone, isn't to offend any place of where people get their dogs.. As far as im concerned, they all need good homes. It's only a long winded feeling of my own that I hate it when issues of all breeds get blamed on one breed. It seems to me, that the article that the original post is based from, who ever wrote about poodle mixes are so bad... That person feels that if poodle mixes were bannished, then all problems would be gone with what those byb's do. Sounds like a banning to me. But I assure you, it would solve nothing, just as pit banning has solved nothing.

And that's just one persons opinion

 

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I know a teeny tiny little T cup poodle, that as a 3 year old, can fit in the palm of your hands. She is very sweet. Will greet anyone with a happy wiggle, any other animal with a happy wiggle.. She rarely ever lets out a yip unless she is playing.. She can be taken anywhere with care, as she is fragile with her tiny size, not that she has realized that at all. I have also seen golden doodles in our area that are great! Very approachable, very sweet and happy. Always ready to play. If there is even one good breeder out there doing it how it should be done, you can not lump them all in one. You can not. You do a diservice to the animals in need. You really do. The pregidism alone makes it hard for the ones in shelter even to find homes because people don't want the ignorant bull that people put out. And I can even use myself as an example on that one, WITH THIS BOARD. A long time ago, I was on this board. Now I was a different person then. I am now 43. And even though I was still a "stand my ground" type of person, I am way more so now, with way little care what people think of me or of what I have.. For example, in less then a week, I have rescued a Euro Dane that desperately needed help. I didn't know at the time she was a euro, I have since learned that though. I have also very quickly learned that the Euro has its bashers who are very strong about how people should not have them, and thoughs who do are uneducated. Really?? Here, let me uneducated you across the !!%&¥€£¢÷π%!! Head!!!! So in other words, this wonderful dog should not be allowed a home because THAT person doesn't like her breed? Well tough. They are gonna have to sit and spin and cry all night over it, no sweat off my brow.
But you know what... I wasn't always that strong. I would stand up, but to much bashing..... apparently I still needed some growing up to do, cause I would cave under pressure. I'm not proud of it. But in that time of my life, having young children, I didn't want them subject to people's pregidism and bashing issues. At the time, I didn't know its better to just be stronger. While on this board, I had helped a cockapoo with getting a new home. She needed homed, I had the space, and I helped. It wasn't long after I got her, this board was bashing cockapoos. It didn't matter how much I Stood up for her, I was always met with how "horrible" they are. Mine was great. All others Ive seen were great. But the bashing continued. Everyone is so sure that these designer dogs are such an issue!! No, they are not. Quit calling them designer dogs for one. That may help, that's a people problem, not a dog problem. But it didn't matter. Then I noticed in public we would get looks. As if we did something wrong. I finally had her up to a good home. I found her a wonderful home that loves her to bits!! They are not sided at all by the stupid people who try to breed ban poodle mixes. I ended up getting Ocean. My Dane/golden mix. I still have her at 5 years. She will be 6 years in Jan. I couldn't imagine life without her. But now, being older, and stronger, and not caring one bit who I make mad... When I think back, I know I failed Bella Rose. I failed her by letting this board, and other people bully me into not keeping a wonderful dog because of her breed. And no, i wasnt told to give her up. I was just bullied for having her. People were tought to hate her, and that came back on me. I wasn't strong enough to stand up and flip everyone off with pregidis opinions. And I don't think anyone noticed that she slipped away off the board, with Ocean replacing her. Now that I am helping Sasha, and learning that there are people who hate the Euro's... I am going to do for her what I should have done for Bella Rose. Flip off anyone who wants to have a cow that she exists. I'm not just doing this for Sasha, but also for Bella Rose. I am fixing a wrong from a long time ago. Now people here can look down on me all they want. But I assure you I'm not the only one with skeletons. However, I bet I'm about the only one willing to let mine peek out so others can learn off of them too.... Only if people are willing to learn, many people are not teachable.
So the next time anyone wants to bash a breed, please keep Bella Rose in mind. Understand that you are part of the problem why they are being turned away, as not everyone is at a time in their life where they can stand against the bashing crowd. It's YOU that causes many of these dogs to be put down by the inhumane bullying you do to people, over something that isn't even any of your business. It isn't anyones business what dog people prefer to have in their home, what dog they choose to rescue, as long as they provide a good one. As for me, I'm not the push over I used to be. Nobody forms my mind for me, I form my own. Even when it isn't popular to do so. But I at least try to be nice about it at first, lol. I just want to point out how much breed bashing really does hurt the dogs that people claim to care about. And tell you of a true story, of the diservice you do to them. That even THIS board did to one, cause I wasn't stronger at the time. Now I can take my blame where it lies. But don't think for a minute that your without blame when you push people to that point. When you cause a good pup to be put down cause you convensed someone they should not have their dog, or that they should not adopt that dog. Dont pretend that breed bashing doesn't hurt them. Don't think for a minute that trying to cause breed banning isn't horrific. Cause you are the one that needs education if you REALLY believe that. Instead of breed bashing, wouldn't it be better to support people who give them good homes? To try and help people learn about them? But its human nature to spread hate before love, and never take the responsibility of their own actions, rather to point at someone else.

Like I said before, if you REALLY believe that it's only poodle mix breeders that rely on uneducated sells... You are so past kidding yourself. In the real world, all full AND mix breeds have breeders that rely on uneducated people. ALL of them have those breeders. So to get away from that, means to get rid of ALL dogs. There problem solved. It's something that won't go away. But making the problem worse is hardly the answer.

This post is merely to stand up for those who have been hurt by breed bashing/banning, both human and animal. Bashing turns into banning. You can not stand up for pits, but support the future banning of others. And even if it isn't a legal ban, if you have convenced people to discard them, to rally together against them, causing death or home loss to innocent animals who deserve a good home... It's a banning. As for me, I hate all breed bans. I don't agree with any of them. And it's hardly OK to say, get used to it. I think it's okay to stand up for what's right. If we didn't, we would still have people in chains, people denied education over sex/color. And because one breed just "got used to it" they are now being killed ruthlessly and looked at as monsters in many areas. Mine is one of them, and we are fighting it. Other breeds have had to NOT get used to it, to save their beloved breed. Stand up for what's right and don't get bullied over our dogs. Or we might as well just get rid of them all.. I will hide mine, just sayen...

No, this post is NOT pointed at ANYONE. Just to point out some things that really go on in real life with the courage to step through the ugly in order to be better.

 

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After reading that, I thought HOLY COW, someone is going to take what I say wrong.. It sounds way to harsh to be put in words without tone. Maybe I should just delete it, for get along sake... But it won't let me. So please know I'm just calmly talking about something I'm compationate about, because it did effect me a long time ago. I realize there are just people out there that are going to do things, with no care of who they hurt. But its my hope to shed some light on this for those who do care. And to stand up for dogs like Bella Ross and Sasha. That's just me

 

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I forgot to say... Anything that is a mix breeder, will have a harder time finding a good one, over full bred. Not just poodles. This is because in full bred dogs, you can find people who actually show, therefore, are only breeding the best with as little health issues as possible to do well in showing. Where as with mix breeds, its highly doubtful you will find someone who shows their dogs, works for confirmation and coat, temperment, less health issues, to be able to do well in shows. That's because shows are about the full bred animal. You can't have confirmation on an F1 mutt. ALL mutts can turn out about in any way. What the genetics pull most from in one pup, may not pull that way in another. That's the wonderful thing about mutts!! You can get anything. It's the human mind that decides to expect them to all be the same, and deems it a problem, not the dogs. Quit expecting so much out of our wonderful mixes to fit inside a box, and know that it's pretty cool to get variety. It's the full breds job to fit in a box, not the mutts. And the full breds that don't fit in the box, go on to be pets. When people get the difference, and stop insisting that designer dogs are mutts, but still expect them to fit in a cookie cutter box (which is highly unfair and way to much to ask, by the way) then you will understand better that they are okay. You can't play both sides. Designers are mutts, we can all agree with that. But they should get to be like any other mutt. You get what you get, and you love them for who they are... They are pets. When people lie about what they will be, that sucks. But it really is everywhere with all breeds. With fb and stuff like that, its easier today to spread the word that "your cockapoo's and pugels and what ever, truly are mutts. Don't compare your mutt to my mutts, cause their still a mutt" lol... It wasn't so easy to get your ideas across back when..