OMG Watch this video...

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wideturn

Discussion Starter · Aug 14, 2016

So many cringe worthy things about why this person posted it and just everything surrounding it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-BtaVxQMY

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Kyllobernese

· #2 · Aug 14, 2016

Very interesting video. Watched it from beginning to end.

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Besoeker

· #3 · Aug 14, 2016

Kyllobernese said:
Very interesting video. Watched it from beginning to end.

Your fortitude is commendable........

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I said I watched it, not that I agreed with it. At my age, I did start out training dogs when treats were never used, you always used a choke collar and made corrections with it. We certainly did not yell at our dogs or do some of those things on the video that came later. Even then we did not use a choke collar on a young puppy.

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MollyDoggy

· #5 · Aug 14, 2016

It's 50 minutes long, do you have a short summary or something?

I mean I'm not sure what this is.

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esuastegui

· #6 · Aug 18, 2016

MollyDoggy said:
It's 50 minutes long, do you have a short summary or something? I mean I'm not sure what this is.

Well... I did find that one of the biggest positive training proponents (Victoria something or other) was an unemployed actress rather than a bonafides trainer. That doesn't mean positive training itself is flawed (that would be ad hominem), but, well... it doesn't help.

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MollyDoggy

· #7 · Aug 18, 2016

esuastegui said:
Well... I did find that one of the biggest positive training proponents (Victoria something or other) was an unemployed actress rather than a bonafides trainer. That doesn't mean positive training itself is flawed (that would be ad hominem), but, well... it doesn't help.

Do you mean Victoria Stilwell? Really? She published a book about dog training before the show even aired? I think its possible she just switched careers and had connections in the entertainment industry.

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esuastegui

· #8 · Aug 18, 2016

Dunbar, IIRC...

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cookieface

· #9 · Aug 19, 2016

esuastegui said:
Well... I did find that one of the biggest positive training proponents (Victoria something or other) was an unemployed actress rather than a bonafides trainer. That doesn't mean positive training itself is flawed (that would be ad hominem), but, well... it doesn't help.

Most serious force-free / positive reinforcement-based trainers don't hold her up as an example. She's a celebrity who promotes "positive training" but doesn't carry that much weight among professional trainers. They tend to look to people like Sophia Yin, Patricia McConnell, Bob Bailey, Karen Pryor, Ken Ramirez.

esuastegui said:
Dunbar, IIRC...

Ian Dunbar is a veterinarian and animal behaviorist, not an unemployed actress.

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esuastegui

· #10 · Aug 19, 2016

My bad: it is Victoria Stillwell. According to the video (go to the 27:34 minute mark), she was an unemployed actress (and by her own telling later, a dog walker: 29:00 minute mark) when she started a "positive training" show. The video goes on to claim many of her techniques aren't positive training at all.

As a whole, I don't know what to make of this video. It seems to be out to smear positive training or to complain that positive training has smeared many qualified and successful trainers... don't know which point it's really out to push, but as a whole it seems bent on casting doubt about a pure positive training approach. Though I may sympathize with that point (i.e., that centuries of dog training wisdom didn't arise because they didn't work), I'm not sure this video, which is at many points a hack piece doesn't fall into the ad hominem logic trap. So what if Victoria Stillwell was a faux trainer? It doesn't make the approach she "acted out" in the show nor positive training in general any less valid.

BTW, there's a part deux to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c5EQMPIkaA

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