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From: How to Read Whale Eye on Your Dog

"What Whale Eye Means in Dogs
A dog exhibiting whale eye is usually expressing anxiety and discomfort with the current situation. This dog is stressed and possibly even fearful. Whale eye can be a sign that the dog will soon become defensively aggressive. An anxious dog is more likely to bite. If you notice this type of dog body language as you're approaching a dog, back off until the dog relaxes and becomes more comfortable, or at least until you can figure out what's going on.


Take stock of the dog's surroundings without approaching. Is there another dog or cat in the vicinity? Is a stranger approaching? The anxious dog may hear something that you can't hear yet, like footsteps outside approaching your door. A child may be reaching for the dog's favorite toy—or worse, a dog chew or treat.


A dog may exhibit whale eye if he is uncomfortable with what someone is doing to him, like being hugged, being petted in an area he doesn't want to be touched, getting examined by a vet, or getting his nails trimmed.


What to Do When a Dog Exhibits Whale Eye
Your dog is hoping you notice his eyes and can pick up on the message he is sending. He wants you to do something to fix whatever is wrong. This is always your best course of action if you can identify the problem.


If it could be something you're doing, simply stop. If another dog is approaching in a public area, lead your dog away. Keep in mind that your dog may also be tense, so you might have to coax him to move."
 

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well when i give a bone bone to him as i call it..he shows the white of his eyes kinda like how a mule will look back at you before they kick or bite...i chalk that up to possesion aggression he is the same with his food ..not everyone has the means to afford a behavior specialist...he has all his needed shots..but if you think your putting a muzzle on him..you dont know how wrong youd be...it would not turn out well unless he was sedated first and even then im not sure he can be sedated....
he gets pissed if you watch him eat or chew a bone..he acts like he is sleeping..hes not...he is always watching..and i will say it again...i have done nothing abusive to him at all never in my life..
could there be a underlying health issue..maybe...but where his son and brother will fight a ****.....he absolutly refuses..with a caged **** he is psycotic as can be...open the cage...it comes out..he will not have nothing to do with it..and before anyone says pitting a hound against a **** is inhumane..thats what they are bred for
 

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gets pissed if you watch him eat or chew a bone
Of course he does - he feels threatened. If you were in a lovely restaurant, eating a lovely meal, and you suspected someone was going to try to take it from you, and they were watching you, you would be a bit edgy too. Make sure he is left completely alone in peace to eat.

his son and brother will fight a *.....he absolutly refuses..with a caged * he is psycotic as can be...open the cage...it comes out..he will not have nothing to do with it..and before anyone says pitting a hound against a **** is inhumane..thats what they are bred for
I don't understand this part of your post.

.i have done nothing abusive to him at all never in my life..
It is the dog who decides what is aversive, and I'm thinking that using a switch on him, light as it may have been, is something he has found highly aversive.
 

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the other two all i have to is tell them NO!.. they stop immediatly ..
So they respond to an interruption - that's all ”no” is, unless you follow through with something else.

I'd like you to imagine you are learning to drive.

Every now and then, your instructor sternly says bangoh!.

You would be puzzled. Even if you stopped or interrupted what you were doing, you wouldn't know what you were doing wrong - driving too fast, not using your mirrors, turning left instead of right, going the wrong way down a one way street, in the wrong gear, too close to the car in front etc etc.

And "bangoh" is Japanese for ”no” by the way, but essentially English is just as foreign a language to your dog as Japanese is to you.

A firm no is at best an interruptor but importantly it doesn't tell your dog what he has done wrong, and what you want him to do instead.
 

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a switch. a small switch like as big around and as light as a straw..and i only done it when he would jump up and grab my arm and

a little tiny switch...weighed as much as a straw...so dinky it couldnt have done anything ...
I'm still not getting a mental image. Perhaps it's a US/UK thing? When I think of a switch, I think of something being turned on - like a light switch, for example.

And that fact that he growled at you in that "you do that again and I'll kill you" manner, proved he didn't find it pleasant. It didn't have to cause him physical harm. It's the dog that chooses what's aversive, not us.

im wondering as well if his testicles could have anything to do with it...he humps my arm and legs and growls while doing it...is that normal behaviour?
Dogs hump for a variety of reason, for example overarousal, excitement, anxiety, that sort of thing - it's not always sexual.


in the other the guys defense..he didnt want her spayed as he is operating a kennel and she is a $5000 hound
And he's putting his $5,000 hound at risk of pyometra and mammary tumours (both potentially fatal - I've got a bitch who had mammary tumours. I'd only had her for 6 months. Luckily hers were benign but it's something I never want to go through again) as well as false pregnancies. He also allowed his $5000 hound to mate with a young dog which was too young to have any and all relevant health tests carried out and hasn't been proven in some way (like the show ring, or working trials) - and certainly hadn't be temperament tested.

plus when its nighttime and they are off hunting ..you cant run after hounds like that..they cover too much ground too quickly..not making exscuses just being honest.
i think i will have him neutured and a brain scan done...this morning he acted like nothing ever happened..good mood..seems happy to me..no growling..no sideways looks..although i decided today to just leave him alone and just feed...water and give him all the space he wants away from me and see how his mood is tonight
Neutering him might help (might) with the humping, but it won't help with the severe aggression. You need a full vet check (brain scan would be good, I'm rather baffled that you can afford a brain scan, but not a behaviourist? Surely the scan would cost more?) and a qualified reputable behaviourist (I vehemently disagree with @Madra Anamchara 's suggestion that you attempt to control him alone - that is dangerous advice that could see him go for your face next time). You need someone who can see with their own eyes what's happening on the ground. If you cannot afford that then you only have one option - I know it'll break your heart - it would break mine, too, but euthanasia would be the only other option. It would be irresponsible of us to suggest anything else. You cannot manage this on your own. We can't see what's going on, like a behaviourist can.

well when i give a bone bone to him as i call it..he shows the white of his eyes kinda like how a mule will look back at you before they kick or bite...i chalk that up to possesion aggression he is the same with his food ..not everyone has the means to afford a behavior specialist...he has all his needed shots..but if you think your putting a muzzle on him..you dont know how wrong youd be...it would not turn out well unless he was sedated first and even then im not sure he can be sedated....
The whites of his eyes is a sign of anxiety. Do you take his bone off him? Because if you do, you shouldn't - at least not without swapping it first.

As for muzzling him, well, if a huge basket was coming towards my face and I didn't know what it was, I'm sure I'd kick up a stink, too. ;) There's a way to train the dog to accept the muzzle, which involves time and peanut butter or squeezy cheese. You don't just put it on and expect him to be fine with it. :)

he gets pissed if you watch him eat or chew a bone..he acts like he is sleeping..hes not...he is always watching..and i will say it again...i have done nothing abusive to him at all never in my life..
could there be a underlying health issue..maybe...but where his son and brother will fight a *.....he absolutly refuses..with a caged * he is psycotic as can be...open the cage...it comes out..he will not have nothing to do with it..and before anyone says pitting a hound against a **** is inhumane..thats what they are bred for
No one is suggesting you've been abusive to him - far from it. But as @JoanneF said, (and I've said above) it's the dog who chooses what's aversive. For example, some dogs find the sound a clicker aversive, and if so, it would be unwise to continue to use it on that dog.

all depends on how much a MRI costs..cause i dont have thousands of dollars to spend
It's going to cost way more than a behaviourist.
 
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I'm still not getting a mental image. Perhaps it's a US/UK thing? When I think of a switch, I think of something being turned on - like a light switch, for example.

And that fact that he growled at you in that "you do that again and I'll kill you" manner, proved he didn't find it pleasant. It didn't have to cause him physical harm. It's the dog that chooses what's aversive, not us.



Dogs hump for a variety of reason, for example overarousal, excitement, anxiety, that sort of thing - it's not always sexual.




And he's putting his $5,000 hound at risk of pyometra and mammary tumours (both potentially fatal - I've got a bitch who had mammary tumours. I'd only had her for 6 months. Luckily hers were benign but it's something I never want to go through again) as well as false pregnancies. He also allowed his $5000 hound to mate with a young dog which was too young to have any and all relevant health tests carried out and hasn't been proven in some way (like the show ring, or working trials) - and certainly hadn't be temperament tested.



Neutering him might help (might) with the humping, but it won't help with the severe aggression. You need a full vet check (brain scan would be good, I'm rather baffled that you can afford a brain scan, but not a behaviourist? Surely the scan would cost more?) and a qualified reputable behaviourist (I vehemently disagree with @Madra Anamchara 's suggestion that you attempt to control him alone - that is dangerous advice that could see him go for your face next time). You need someone who can see with their own eyes what's happening on the ground. If you cannot afford that then you only have one option - I know it'll break your heart - it would break mine, too, but euthanasia would be the only other option. It would be irresponsible of us to suggest anything else. You cannot manage this on your own. We can't see what's going on, like a behaviourist can.



The whites of his eyes is a sign of anxiety. Do you take his bone off him? Because if you do, you shouldn't - at least not without swapping it first.

As for muzzling him, well, if a huge basket was coming towards my face and I didn't know what it was, I'm sure I'd kick up a stink, too. ;) There's a way to train the dog to accept the muzzle, which involves time and peanut butter or squeezy cheese. You don't just put it on and expect him to be fine with it. :)



No one is suggesting you've been abusive to him - far from it. But as @JoanneF said, (and I've said above) it's the dog who chooses what's aversive. For example, some dogs find the sound a clicker aversive, and if so, it would be unwise to continue to use it on that dog.



It's going to cost way more than a behaviourist.
well forget that
 

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the other two all i have to is tell them NO!.. they stop immediatly ..
Every dog is an individual and has their own persona and needs. Just because one dog reacts to a stimulus one way has little to do with how another will react to the same stimulus..Just like humans

I still don't understand what the size of his male parts has to do with anything. Perhaps you are referring to over secretion of testosterone, but I am not a vet.
From what I am reading, this dog has given you signals that are being ignored, and is elevating his feelings the only way that he instinctively knows..and it really sounds as though he doesn't trust you.
 

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@ilovemydogs2345 let me speak plainly.

I have never in my 10 plus years on various forums, read a thread and been so afraid for the life of another human being at the mouth of their dog. This is how serious this matter is. Please read the chart in the link:
Ian Dunbar Bite Scale

Unless, of course, this is a wind-up.
 

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@ilovemydogs2345 let me speak plainly.

I have never in my 10 plus years on various forums, read a thread and been so afraid for the life of another human being at the mouth of their dog. This is how serious this matter is. Please read the chart in the link:
Ian Dunbar Bite Scale

Unless, of course, this is a wind-up.
right now..he is under the cover right in my lap asleep basicly hugging me...so yeah im confused
 
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