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Oh terrible visit to the vets today I'm a bit cross.
The lady on the phone told me they don't do xrays and roxy would need a ultrasound Which is £85 so I take her along to be told they can't determine number of pups on a scan as they could be scanning the same pup. So they did the scan anyway to check heartbeats as the discharge turned green this morning (she's fine and there's no sign of infection) but the woman didn't give any indication to how big the pups are or anything so I feel like I've been completely ripped off and there was no need for the scan at all.
I then asked her about the poster in the window about the pdsa helping with vet bills and she said no they can't help me with her pregnancy cost or possible emergencies because she should have been spayed. So now I really don't want to go back there ever again and I was almost in tears at the way she spoke to me. She even had a go at me because roxy's quite over weight and it could cause problems with delivery. She's now 22kg and this vet reckoned she shouldn't be more than 13kg (this is what is recommended online for the minimum weight not maximum which is 17kg). They also said I don't need to phone to let the know when she's in whelp and just phone if we run into difficulties.
Anyway I finished her whelping box today and everything I need for the delivery and the few weeks after arrived so I have a fully functioning whelping room ready as soon as she goes into whelp.
 

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Also forgot to add the panting is apparently caused by her being too hot and the whimpering is more than likely discomfort just like with a human pregnancy
 

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I'm not sure what it was. She did calm down and she's been fine today just sleeping most of the day really.
Sorry by popped yes I meant her belly. She seems much rounder today and it's rock hard.
Felt lots of kicks today and they do feel quite strong but no more whimpering or panting. A bit clinger today thou didn't like it at all when I went for a shower.
Hmm, by what you're saying here she sounds closer than what she looked in the last photo I saw. My current foster Belle, I got when she was right around 7 weeks along and her stomach didn't harden up until she was what I believe to be in her 8th week.

Oh terrible visit to the vets today I'm a bit cross.
The lady on the phone told me they don't do xrays and roxy would need a ultrasound Which is £85 so I take her along to be told they can't determine number of pups on a scan as they could be scanning the same pup. So they did the scan anyway to check heartbeats as the discharge turned green this morning (she's fine and there's no sign of infection) but the woman didn't give any indication to how big the pups are or anything so I feel like I've been completely ripped off and there was no need for the scan at all.
I then asked her about the poster in the window about the pdsa helping with vet bills and she said no they can't help me with her pregnancy cost or possible emergencies because she should have been spayed. So now I really don't want to go back there ever again and I was almost in tears at the way she spoke to me. She even had a go at me because roxy's quite over weight and it could cause problems with delivery. She's now 22kg and this vet reckoned she shouldn't be more than 13kg (this is what is recommended online for the minimum weight not maximum which is 17kg). They also said I don't need to phone to let the know when she's in whelp and just phone if we run into difficulties.
Anyway I finished her whelping box today and everything I need for the delivery and the few weeks after arrived so I have a fully functioning whelping room ready as soon as she goes into whelp.
Wow, I'm very sorry to hear the visit didn't go well! That women sounds like a witch! Do you have another vet you can start going to?

It is true that ultrasound will not give you a clear look at the # of pups. Whoa, whoa! She's having green discharge?? That generally isn't a good sign at all when there's still a few weeks or so left in the pregnancy.. Green discharge that comes before they are in labor is often a sign of a dead pup or that the mother is reabsorbing the pups!
 

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I'm not sure what it was. She did calm down and she's been fine today just sleeping most of the day really.
Sorry by popped yes I meant her belly. She seems much rounder today and it's rock hard.
Felt lots of kicks today and they do feel quite strong but no more whimpering or panting. A bit clinger today thou didn't like it at all when I went for a shower.
Hmm, by what you're saying here she sounds closer than what she looked in the last photo I saw. My current foster Belle, I got when she was right around 7 weeks along and her stomach didn't harden up until she was what I believe to be in her 8th week.

Oh terrible visit to the vets today I'm a bit cross.
The lady on the phone told me they don't do xrays and roxy would need a ultrasound Which is £85 so I take her along to be told they can't determine number of pups on a scan as they could be scanning the same pup. So they did the scan anyway to check heartbeats as the discharge turned green this morning (she's fine and there's no sign of infection) but the woman didn't give any indication to how big the pups are or anything so I feel like I've been completely ripped off and there was no need for the scan at all.
I then asked her about the poster in the window about the pdsa helping with vet bills and she said no they can't help me with her pregnancy cost or possible emergencies because she should have been spayed. So now I really don't want to go back there ever again and I was almost in tears at the way she spoke to me. She even had a go at me because roxy's quite over weight and it could cause problems with delivery. She's now 22kg and this vet reckoned she shouldn't be more than 13kg (this is what is recommended online for the minimum weight not maximum which is 17kg). They also said I don't need to phone to let the know when she's in whelp and just phone if we run into difficulties.
Anyway I finished her whelping box today and everything I need for the delivery and the few weeks after arrived so I have a fully functioning whelping room ready as soon as she goes into whelp.
Wow, I'm very sorry to hear the visit didn't go well! That women sounds like a witch! Do you have another vet you can start going to?

It is true that ultrasound will not give you a clear look at the # of pups. Whoa, whoa! She's having green discharge?? That generally isn't a good sign at all when there's still a few weeks or so left in the pregnancy.. Green discharge that comes before they are in labor is often a sign of a dead pup or that the mother is reabsorbing the pups!
I am looking at a different vets that I used to go to but it's quite far away so I'd have to find lifts at sort notice etc. She wasn't our normal vet that we see so she doesn't know the full situation (I think she thought I was just some irresponsible kid who let a pet get pregnant).
Yes she was having clear stringy discharge after she urinated but last night it was green snot coloured (sorry). I mentioned it to the vet as I was worried about infection. She took her temp which was slightly low and then examined her internally and found nothing of concern just some jelly textured discharge and she believes her cervix is closed (hard to tell as roxy really didn't like it at all and I had to hold her still). The ultrasound did show heartbeats. This evening it was still green but much lighter in colour.
I don't know about time lines of reabsorbing but on the 27th Jan (so about a week ago) her scan showed that she had 2 empty sacs and that vet could see 3 developing pups with good healthy heartbeats. Could this discharge be a result of that?
I wasn't told about the problem counting pups when I booked the appointment and I asked if she can have an xray to try and determine numbers but the lady said "oh I think you mean a ultrasound, we don't offer xrays" and now I'm sat here thinking she really didn't need another scan and I've just wasted £85.
 

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I am looking at a different vets that I used to go to but it's quite far away so I'd have to find lifts at sort notice etc. She wasn't our normal vet that we see so she doesn't know the full situation (I think she thought I was just some irresponsible kid who let a pet get pregnant).
Yes she was having clear stringy discharge after she urinated but last night it was green snot coloured (sorry). I mentioned it to the vet as I was worried about infection. She took her temp which was slightly low and then examined her internally and found nothing of concern just some jelly textured discharge and she believes her cervix is closed (hard to tell as roxy really didn't like it at all and I had to hold her still). The ultrasound did show heartbeats. This evening it was still green but much lighter in colour.
I don't know about time lines of reabsorbing but on the 27th Jan (so about a week ago) her scan showed that she had 2 empty sacs and that vet could see 3 developing pups with good healthy heartbeats. Could this discharge be a result of that?
I wasn't told about the problem counting pups when I booked the appointment and I asked if she can have an xray to try and determine numbers but the lady said "oh I think you mean a ultrasound, we don't offer xrays" and now I'm sat here thinking she really didn't need another scan and I've just wasted £85.
Hmm, yes that is possible.. If there are empty sacs that sounds like she reabsorbed those pups, it's possible that they died and she reabsorbed them. The cutoff timeline is when fetal skeletons are mineralized, meaning once the pup's skeletons are formed, it's almost impossible for them to reabsorb the pups. Their skeletons are formed by right around week 6.

Sorry you had such a bad experience with that vet! Hopefully you can request your normal vet from now on?

I just managed to get a couple of quick pic of her to give an idea of how much she's grown in the last few days
Wow, she has grown quite a bit! At this stage in pregnancy they do grow very quickly.
 

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your in the uk right? if so can i ask where abouts eg penrith etc and what vet practise this was? because im moving to penrith cumbria im looking for a new vet for when we get there and id rather avoid that vet. so sorry you had terrible experience sounds like Jessies old vet but on a different matter
 

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I'm in gloucester in the west midlands so nowhere near and it was S.P.A vets.
So we had first night in the whelping box last night it went ok. She did keep trying to get on the bed with me but settled after a few minutes of staring at me.
 

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I am looking at a different vets that I used to go to but it's quite far away so I'd have to find lifts at sort notice etc. She wasn't our normal vet that we see so she doesn't know the full situation (I think she thought I was just some irresponsible kid who let a pet get pregnant).
Yes she was having clear stringy discharge after she urinated but last night it was green snot coloured (sorry). I mentioned it to the vet as I was worried about infection. She took her temp which was slightly low and then examined her internally and found nothing of concern just some jelly textured discharge and she believes her cervix is closed (hard to tell as roxy really didn't like it at all and I had to hold her still). The ultrasound did show heartbeats. This evening it was still green but much lighter in colour.
I don't know about time lines of reabsorbing but on the 27th Jan (so about a week ago) her scan showed that she had 2 empty sacs and that vet could see 3 developing pups with good healthy heartbeats. Could this discharge be a result of that?
I wasn't told about the problem counting pups when I booked the appointment and I asked if she can have an xray to try and determine numbers but the lady said "oh I think you mean a ultrasound, we don't offer xrays" and now I'm sat here thinking she really didn't need another scan and I've just wasted £85.
Hmm, yes that is possible.. If there are empty sacs that sounds like she reabsorbed those pups, it's possible that they died and she reabsorbed them. The cutoff timeline is when fetal skeletons are mineralized, meaning once the pup's skeletons are formed, it's almost impossible for them to reabsorb the pups. Their skeletons are formed by right around week 6.

Sorry you had such a bad experience with that vet! Hopefully you can request your normal vet from now on?

I just managed to get a couple of quick pic of her to give an idea of how much she's grown in the last few days
Wow, she has grown quite a bit! At this stage in pregnancy they do grow very quickly.

Right ok that's reassuring. It's a milky colour this morning so I'm not too concerned. She has no temperature and no other symptoms either.

Yes she's quite big she looks like she swallowed a barrel lol. She's struggling to move around more today but I think she'd rather just sleep bless her.
I think she might be moving in to 8 weeks as she's started digging around a bit she's shredding like crazy and she's had a bit of milk come out this morning.
 

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Right ok that's reassuring. It's a milky colour this morning so I'm not too concerned. She has no temperature and no other symptoms either.

Yes she's quite big she looks like she swallowed a barrel lol. She's struggling to move around more today but I think she'd rather just sleep bless her.
I think she might be moving in to 8 weeks as she's started digging around a bit she's shredding like crazy and she's had a bit of milk come out this morning.
Okay, good. Hopefully that means nothing is wrong. One thing that I have noticed with my dogs is when their mucus changes to a slightly yellowish color, then pups should be there within 2 days or less. My first foster went into labor 4 hours after I saw the yellowish mucus, and my current one went into labor 2 days after I saw it. Another possible sign is when their mucus discharge gets really heavy.

Yep, she sounds like she's getting close! Nesting generally begins anywhere from a week to a few days before. What color was the milk, just normal white or a pearl color?
 

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Right ok that's reassuring. It's a milky colour this morning so I'm not too concerned. She has no temperature and no other symptoms either.

Yes she's quite big she looks like she swallowed a barrel lol. She's struggling to move around more today but I think she'd rather just sleep bless her.
I think she might be moving in to 8 weeks as she's started digging around a bit she's shredding like crazy and she's had a bit of milk come out this morning.
Okay, good. Hopefully that means nothing is wrong. One thing that I have noticed with my dogs is when their mucus changes to a slightly yellowish color, then pups should be there within 2 days or less. My first foster went into labor 4 hours after I saw the yellowish mucus, and my current one went into labor 2 days after I saw it. Another possible sign is when their mucus discharge gets really heavy.

Yep, she sounds like she's getting close! Nesting generally begins anywhere from a week to a few days before. What color was the milk, just normal white or a pearl color?
Oh right so like a mucus plug being lost?
She's been asleep all day today and hasn't finished her lunch. So I think she might be getting close too.

It was more of a not quite white more like a diluted white. Tbh it looked like more like colostrum than actual milk. Her milk ducts are quite noticeable now.
 

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Oh right so like a mucus plug being lost?
She's been asleep all day today and hasn't finished her lunch. So I think she might be getting close too.

It was more of a not quite white more like a diluted white. Tbh it looked like more like colostrum than actual milk. Her milk ducts are quite noticeable now.
Yes.

Yep, sounds like it.

Okay. When you see colostrum it generally means they are very close.
 

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Oh right so like a mucus plug being lost?
She's been asleep all day today and hasn't finished her lunch. So I think she might be getting close too.

It was more of a not quite white more like a diluted white. Tbh it looked like more like colostrum than actual milk. Her milk ducts are quite noticeable now.
Yes.

Yep, sounds like it.

Okay. When you see colostrum it generally means they are very close.
Right ok. Eek. Well everything is ready for whenever things happen.
Just a quick question I know that the likely hood is that she'll start in the middle of the night but if she goes in the day is it safe for her to be moved upstairs or should I keep her in her whelping box the majority of the time?
 

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Right ok. Eek. Well everything is ready for whenever things happen.
Just a quick question I know that the likely hood is that she'll start in the middle of the night but if she goes in the day is it safe for her to be moved upstairs or should I keep her in her whelping box the majority of the time?
She should stay in the room that she has become accustomed to as her area. Moving her when she's just starting labor could delay it which wouldn't be good for her or the pups. Just curious, why do you want to move her up stairs?
 

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I've set her whelping box up in our spare room which is upstairs.
The Rasen I did this was because the only room I could put her in would be the living room except I have a 2.5 yo dd with special needs and 3 other children who are 5 and 7 so I need to keep them separate 1) so roxy doesn't get stressed and 2) because my kids arent quiet. It's also a high traffic area being the only room other than the kitchen and bathroom downstairs.
So we will start staying upstairs from tomorrow then thanks
 

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I've set her whelping box up in our spare room which is upstairs.
The Rasen I did this was because the only room I could put her in would be the living room except I have a 2.5 yo dd with special needs and 3 other children who are 5 and 7 so I need to keep them separate 1) so roxy doesn't get stressed and 2) because my kids arent quiet. It's also a high traffic area being the only room other than the kitchen and bathroom downstairs.
So we will start staying upstairs from tomorrow then thanks
Wow, sounds like you are going to have your hands full! Good to hear that she will have a a quiet place to deliver. :)
 

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oh sounds like pups soon! oh i cant wait to see pics and what gender and if goes well etc!
 

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I'm in gloucester in the west midlands so nowhere near and it was S.P.A vets.
So we had first night in the whelping box last night it went ok. She did keep trying to get on the bed with me but settled after a few minutes of staring at me.
Thanks for that i hope those vets arent near penrith or carisle then! if so i will avoid them. Moving to penrith south of Carlisle and incase those vets are in those areas i wanted to avoid them and take note which to avoid so thanks so much!:thumbsup:
 

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What area are you at the moment?
I'd stay away from the pets at home vets as well they are rubbish and expensive
 
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