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So Ozzy has the Halti no pull harness which helps to some degree but he STILL pulls really really STRONGLY! he is a nightmare at that as well as being so reactive............ He chews off the head halti's and he even chews his leads till they break.

So parents need a very strong and very durable walking no pull harness that is guaranteed to stop him pulling and walk nicely as he is causing them injures and now to point my dad has carpel tunnel syndrome in the hand he uses to walk ozzy and pull back with (left)

Parents cant enjoy walks with him at all. So please can you suggest a site and harness that has international shipping to new zealand or is on a new zealand website that would help?

Parents are at the point where they love him but cant cope and looking at meds from vet.

suggestions and advice are very welcome!
 

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I really don't think it's a manner of the harness so much as the training itself. It sounds like they're completely relying on the harness to do the work for him, which isn't what you want. Have them start using the be-a-tree/turn-the-other-way method (whatever one works; some dogs don't respond to one or the other) and reward heavily for staying on a loose leash. Teaching Ozzy to give in to leash pressure will also be a good thing to do.

That said, I've heard good things about the Freedom harness.
 

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Our Alaskan Malamute was a bear (110lbs) and of course, a puller, no surprise there. We tried a regular halti and she chewed through it in one walk. Lol we ended up getting a halter from a pet store just like this Sporn mesh halter.

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She did ,really well on it. I actually bought a tiny one for my Maltese Pom, as a quick fix in the meantime while we train him better. And it works for him too. Neither dog minds putting it on, it doesn't hurt them, and they don't lunge on it or dance around. IME it didn't take any "getting used to" like the halti does.
 

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I also have to put a plug in for a video I watched online about training to dog to stop pulling. It worked out well for me, I just tweak some of the methods to include more treats and sits, and "look at me". It worked well with my little dog, who would pull to choking on a collar, regular harness etc. it requires work, and some time.. But I found that for my dog that it did work. I had to start in the yard, then move to the front yard. We are still working on it but it did work for us.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwfZ7xv-E0
 

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When brother moved to parents with ozzy he was so bad chewed everything severe separation anxiety etc. He better then he was doesnt need muzzle now. Parents use those methods rennajade and doesn't seem to work too well.

Ozzy is so determined to pull not funny.
 

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We're using Quincey's GenX with Jim. He finds it comfy and doesn't seem to mind it on. They seem very well made, but are rather pricey.
 

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I recently got a dog and he is a puller. I have tried the Martindale collar but that didn't help too much. After doing a search online I found this harness and it isn't like the one's in most pet stores at least in Canada. I have actually ordered it from North Carolina and am waiting for it.

Here is the link just in case you are interested.
Freedom No Pull Harness
 

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Parents went to canine solutions retail shop and got a head halti made by the canny collar company I think its called. No idea if will work though
 

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Are they familiar with how to desensitize Ozzy to a head halter and how to use it? If not, we can get you some links to send them. Head halters are definitely not "slap on and go" tools.
 

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Are they familiar with how to desensitize Ozzy to a head halter and how to use it? If not, we can get you some links to send them. Head halters are definitely not "slap on and go" tools.
i think so but not 100% sure. they know the tree method and if he pulls to say back to him, they have to knee him sometimes to get him to do as told and use firm voices and dont let him get away with anything.They do their best to get him to heel as well.
 

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If their method involves kneeing and being firm and riding him constantly to behave properly, I can't imagine why this dog would be motivated to walk with them at all. It sounds like they are nagging this poor dog to death, and he's totally checked out because it's not particularly pleasant or fun to be walking with them. If he's already an anxious and reactive dog, their nagging is just going to amp him up.

Do they have a fenced yard? I might suggest stopping leashed walks altogether until he can be trained properly, from scratch, and give him some flirt pole exercise instead, or at least before any sort of walks or walking practice.
 

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If their method involves kneeing and being firm and riding him constantly to behave properly, I can't imagine why this dog would be motivated to walk with them at all. It sounds like they are nagging this poor dog to death, and he's totally checked out because it's not particularly pleasant or fun to be walking with them. If he's already an anxious and reactive dog, their nagging is just going to amp him up.

Do they have a fenced yard? I might suggest stopping leashed walks altogether until he can be trained properly, from scratch, and give him some flirt pole exercise instead, or at least before any sort of walks or walking practice.
what do you mean by riding him? tehy knee him on occasion and they beleive he is dominant and ozzy doesnt like walking with them he just pulls, they cant not walk him or he is constantly nagging them for walks, in your face, noisy, demanding etc.

Dad is the firm one id say. mum just sick of not enjoying walks and him playing up trying to get control before he pulls so hard you risk falling over or skidding. his anxiety is really severe never mind his reactiveness. he gets called bad names by mum dad and i because he is so hard work and even kicks u in the groin. he really drives you to the limit :( he would be better off as a working dog i think
 

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Yeah, ditto. If they are making being without kneeing and kicked distance unpleasant for him (ie near enough to knee him), you can probably imagine why he doesn't want to get closer than that! :( That needs to stop. I know they are frustrated, but can they hire a trainer to help them develop some foundation skills? Do they even have to go on walks, or does he like any other activities (fetch, swimming, running in a field on a long line)? The firm voice thing, well, that is using intimidation, and again, doesn't really provide incentive for a dog to hang out closer to them. Can you email them our Loose Leash Walking thread so they can watch the videos? http://www.dogforum.com/training-behavior-stickies/loose-leash-walking-1683/ and our Reactivity sticky? http://www.dogforum.com/training-behavior-stickies/reactivity-leash-aggression-barrier-frustration-12538/

Regardless, if they are using a head halter, they need to watch these videos:



(This is on leash skills from about 8 minutes on--very important!)

Again, 7 minutes on is very important for use/leash skills.

Keys:
--do not hold the leash at full length--if he lunges, that is going to allow him to build up a lot of speed before snapping his head back and twisting his body (not safe).
--do not jerk, tug, etc the leash--haltis are made to be used with more of a passive (so to speak) pressure/release
--steady hands & consistent leash length are very important, so it helps to loop a thumb through your belt loop to keep that hand still. This will give more clear info to the dog when he is pulling vs in a better position.
--keep up with the positive reinforcement based training throughout--I don't know what kinds of rewards they are using, but high value meats, letting him have a "go sniff" moment, etc are some ideas.
 

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I am pleased to say i really watched them walk ozzy today and with the canny collar halti he is alot better not pulling so much so doesnt get frustrated as much. i Actually saw some positive reinforcement training using treats even!

now they have better control its alot easier for them. Will print it off for sure crock and i willl watch the videos for them. they have no ideas about this
 
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