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My dog was diagnosed with Chronic Kidney Disorder almost a year ago. Since then, I've been giving him Royal Canin Renal food and Ipakitine powder. Everything was normal until couple weeks ago when his left side of the face swollen, but we've treated that as well. Now, he refuses to eat the food, but he would eat anything else I give him. He didn't eat for a day, and he still doesn't want to eat it. Any advice on what should I do?

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I would give your vet a call and see what they recommend. Is he willing to eat other foods? If he hasn't had bloodwork recently, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to check that to see if there is progression of the disease that might be causing his inappetence. The toxins that build up in the blood from kidney disease can cause nausea, and there are medications that sometimes are prescribed to combat that. If he won't eat at all, tooth problems are always a possibility in an old dog, particularly if that's what caused the swelling in his face before. If he's willing to eat some things, you may be able to try a different kidney food, or either home make food, or try to select a commercial food that's fairly kidney friendly. You also might try mixing a little bit of something he likes into it to see if you can peak his interest.

My old dog has had kidney disease for over 2 years and has refused the rx kidney food completely for almost a year now, and only ate it sporadically before that. It's not a very appetizing food, which is a design flaw IMO since most dogs with renal dz are picky old dogs, but probably the nature of the beast since they're looking for minimal protein, phos, etc. She's on a couple supplements (Renal Essentials and Azodyl) to help neutralize the byproducts of her kidney disease since she will only eat meaty "normal dog" foods. She had bloodwork done yesterday, and her kidney values have actually improved over her values a year ago when she was on the kidney diet, so all is not lost if he decides never to eat it again. When I was lamenting to my vet about her refusal to eat the kidney food, he said it wasn't a huge deal, as long as she is eating something.
 

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I would give your vet a call and see what they recommend. Is he willing to eat other foods? If he hasn't had bloodwork recently, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to check that to see if there is progression of the disease that might be causing his inappetence. The toxins that build up in the blood from kidney disease can cause nausea, and there are medications that sometimes are prescribed to combat that. If he won't eat at all, tooth problems are always a possibility in an old dog, particularly if that's what caused the swelling in his face before. If he's willing to eat some things, you may be able to try a different kidney food, or either home make food, or try to select a commercial food that's fairly kidney friendly. You also might try mixing a little bit of something he likes into it to see if you can peak his interest.

My old dog has had kidney disease for over 2 years and has refused the rx kidney food completely for almost a year now, and only ate it sporadically before that. It's not a very appetizing food, which is a design flaw IMO since most dogs with renal dz are picky old dogs, but probably the nature of the beast since they're looking for minimal protein, phos, etc. She's on a couple supplements (Renal Essentials and Azodyl) to help neutralize the byproducts of her kidney disease since she will only eat meaty "normal dog" foods. She had bloodwork done yesterday, and her kidney values have actually improved over her values a year ago when she was on the kidney diet, so all is not lost if he decides never to eat it again. When I was lamenting to my vet about her refusal to eat the kidney food, he said it wasn't a huge deal, as long as she is eating something.
The progression is definitely there.
I gave him rice and egg whites and he ate that in a second (along with the Ipakitine powder). Can you recommend some home made food that I can mix with his Renal food?

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Here is a low protein homemade dog food recipe for senior/ckd dogs:

It is very important to use the fattiest, cheapest ground beef, as you want more fat than protein.
Measure all ingredients very accurately and be sure not to use any substitutions.
Also be sure to give your dog a good multivitamin ( I use Missing Link)

Nutritional info; Protein 6.9%
Carbohydrates 21.1
Fat 5.5
Calories 750


1/4 lb ground beef (do NOT use lean)
2 cups cooked white rice
1 hard cooked egg peeled and chopped
3 slices white bread (crumbled)
1 teasp Calcium Carbonate (blend/grind a bottle of calcium carbonate into powder and store in a plastic bag...cal carbonate can be found in health food stores or you can use things like Tums, OsCal, etc)

Instruction;
1. Cook ground beef thoughly
2. Mix in other cooked ingredients
3.Feed 2X daily
4. Don't forget to give your dog a vitamin suppliment!

All these ingredients can be cooked in large amounts and then used as needed,
but be sure to measure very accurately! Refrigerated it stays good for 3-4 days. or you can freeze and defrost as needed

Amount to Feed;
weight of dog..............Amt to Feed
5lbs,......................... 1/4 lb per day
10lbs.........................1/2lb per day
20lbs.........................1lb. per day
40lbs..........................1 1/2 lbs per day
60lbs..........................2lbs per day
80lbs..........................2 1/2 lbs per day
100lbs.........................3lbs per day

p.s. if you are wondering about the white bread, it is used because there is little protein in it!!
 

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Royal Canin makes different varieties of their renal food, I would try another, or even another brand of renal. Your vet should be able to refund you for the bag you already have, as Royal Canin has a really good return policy.
 

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Here is a low protein homemade dog food recipe for senior/ckd dogs:

It is very important to use the fattiest, cheapest ground beef, as you want more fat than protein.
Measure all ingredients very accurately and be sure not to use any substitutions.
Also be sure to give your dog a good multivitamin ( I use Missing Link)

Nutritional info; Protein 6.9%
Carbohydrates 21.1
Fat 5.5
Calories 750


1/4 lb ground beef (do NOT use lean)
2 cups cooked white rice
1 hard cooked egg peeled and chopped
3 slices white bread (crumbled)
1 teasp Calcium Carbonate (blend/grind a bottle of calcium carbonate into powder and store in a plastic bag...cal carbonate can be found in health food stores or you can use things like Tums, OsCal, etc)

Instruction;
1. Cook ground beef thoughly
2. Mix in other cooked ingredients
3.Feed 2X daily
4. Don't forget to give your dog a vitamin suppliment!

All these ingredients can be cooked in large amounts and then used as needed,
but be sure to measure very accurately! Refrigerated it stays good for 3-4 days. or you can freeze and defrost as needed

Amount to Feed;
weight of dog..............Amt to Feed
5lbs,......................... 1/4 lb per day
10lbs.........................1/2lb per day
20lbs.........................1lb. per day
40lbs..........................1 1/2 lbs per day
60lbs..........................2lbs per day
80lbs..........................2 1/2 lbs per day
100lbs.........................3lbs per day

p.s. if you are wondering about the white bread, it is used because there is little protein in it!!
Thank you!
I've tried everything and my dog is in a really bad condition, so I will try this. Can you please let me know the amount to feed for a dog that's around 65lbs? How much of meat, rice and all other ingredients per day should I feed him? Also, how much is 2 cups of rice in lbs/grams?
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I've only used this on a very small dog and mixed up the basic recipe and then weighed it out into individual servings...........I really don't know how much you'd need to cook up for a 65lb dog but I think I would perhaps mix up a double amount of the basic recipe and then weigh it! A 65lb dog according to the instructions would eat about 2 1/4 lbs of the mix a day....

I think it is less expensive than the canned diets though!


p.s. I just cooked up a large amount of rice and then measured it, as the recipe calls for cooked rice.............I ate the 'leftovers' hahaha!!!
 

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I just found my original copy of the diet and each recipe portion yields 1 1/4lbs. of food.
Hope this helps!!!
Also, this recipe originated from Hill's as a handout sheet to Vets to give to clients.
 

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Also.....there is a book called "Home-prepared Dog and Cat Diets" by Donald Strombeck DVM that has over 200 homemade and specialty diets in it.......you can get a used copy quite inexpensively from Alibris.com (it is kinda expensive if you buy it new!)
 

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I've only used this on a very small dog and mixed up the basic recipe and then weighed it out into individual servings...........I really don't know how much you'd need to cook up for a 65lb dog but I think I would perhaps mix up a double amount of the basic recipe and then weigh it! A 65lb dog according to the instructions would eat about 2 1/4 lbs of the mix a day....

I think it is less expensive than the canned diets though!


p.s. I just cooked up a large amount of rice and then measured it, as the recipe calls for cooked rice.............I ate the 'leftovers' hahaha!!!
Thank you very much!
 

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Also.....there is a book called "Home-prepared Dog and Cat Diets" by Donald Strombeck DVM that has over 200 homemade and specialty diets in it.......you can get a used copy quite inexpensively from Alibris.com (it is kinda expensive if you buy it new!)
I've been preparing the food and he has no problem eating it. I just wanted to ask should I give him calcium carbonate along with the food even though I use Ipakitine (it has some calcium carbonate in it as well)?
 

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I've been preparing the food and he has no problem eating it. I just wanted to ask should I give him calcium carbonate along with the food even though I use Ipakitine (it has some calcium carbonate in it as well)?

Great to hear he's eating without a problem! About the cacium carbonate I have no idea!
Maybe that's why the calcium carbonate is in the the recipe to begin with and you shouldn't add it at all if the Ipakitine already has it in it ............

There is an article called 'Nutritional Management of Chronic Renal Disease' from UC Davis Veterinary Medicine, online that might help.......Google it!
Hope it helps!
 
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