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I am looking to own a pitbull and have no idea regarding the pure breed information .Can you guide me to some resources
What kind of information are you hoping to find regarding the breed (I.e. history, standards, temperament, characteristics, specific training. Etc.)? I could definitely go on about / provide some resources, just know that - without specific direction - could easily start turning into a book 😆
 

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Hi,
I am looking to own a pitbull and have no idea regarding the pure breed information .Can you guide me to some resources
The way I was taught is, the breed pit bull is not technically a "breed". It supposedly can be any dog containing a bully breed in it, especially Staffordshire terrier. The American Pit Bull Terrier are not recognized by The AKC.

That being said, I own one and love the "breed". And I personally do consider it one. I've done a lot of research on them. Between all of us, you've come to a great place.

They are a very loving and loyal breed. But also tend to have high prey drive, some have moderate to high energy and need regular exercise and play to release that energy. (Which is why they tend to escape and get into trouble, especially without training and socialization) and you must have it trained to listen to you, especially "leave it" and you have to socialize it to all kinds of people, pets, sounds, places, items. As well have bite inhibition (being gentle when using jaws.) When my boy was a puppy, as soon as he'd bite to hard, I'd stop him and grab his muzzle gently and say easy. I'd keep doing this until he was only has rough as I'd allowed during play. Now he's so gentle his jaw shakes when he takes treats from our hands. They can be a very great part of your family if you raise them well and put in a lot of time for training and socialization, given how protective they are it's very important.

Choose a breeder that has been breeding for a very long time (at least near 10 yrs in my opinion), they'll know where their bloodlines have come from. And have stated lineage available for you. There are a lot of backyard pit bull breeders but they don't always choose the best lines. I will say a lot of users of this breed in the past have inbred them to get certain colors and attitude (especially blue and red nose) to be sold for more or have more aggression. So some of these dogs have mental issues if the lineage is not paid attention to. Choosing an actual breeder and a good one is a big deal.

I'm excited for you though, they're good, loving dogs.
 

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The way I was taught is, the breed pit bull is not technically a "breed". It supposedly can be any dog containing a bully breed in it, especially Staffordshire terrier. The American Pit Bull Terrier are not recognized by The AKC.

That being said, I own one and love the "breed". And I personally do consider it one. I've done a lot of research on them. Between all of us, you've come to a great place.

They are a very loving and loyal breed. But also tend to have high prey drive, some have moderate to high energy and need regular exercise and play to release that energy. (Which is why they tend to escape and get into trouble, especially without training and socialization) and you must have it trained to listen to you, especially "leave it" and you have to socialize it to all kinds of people, pets, sounds, places, items. As well have bite inhibition (being gentle when using jaws.) When my boy was a puppy, as soon as he'd bite to hard, I'd stop him and grab his muzzle gently and say easy. I'd keep doing this until he was only has rough as I'd allowed during play. Now he's so gentle his jaw shakes when he takes treats from our hands. They can be a very great part of your family if you raise them well and put in a lot of time for training and socialization, given how protective they are it's very important.

Choose a breeder that has been breeding for a very long time (at least near 10 yrs in my opinion), they'll know where their bloodlines have come from. And have stated lineage available for you. There are a lot of backyard pit bull breeders but they don't always choose the best lines. I will say a lot of users of this breed in the past have inbred them to get certain colors and attitude (especially blue and red nose) to be sold for more or have more aggression. So some of these dogs have mental issues if the lineage is not paid attention to. Choosing an actual breeder and a good one is a big deal.

I'm excited for you though, they're good, loving dogs.
Wanted to add a little to this discussion. You are correct in that "pit bull" or "pitbull" is not technically a breed in the way that it is commonly used, but it is instead a term that society uses to describe a grouping of various dog breeds and mixes which share a set of general physical characteristics. Personally, I really despise the use of the term for this purpose, as it is also the same phrasing that is used in dog-discriminatory laws which unfairly deem all "pitbulls" vicious from birth [i.e. "BSL" or Breed Specific Legislation] and also by news / media outlets who merely perpetuate fear-related breed stereotypes for click-bait.

I also tend to take issue with this use of the term "pitbull" or "pit bull," because it confuses the general public about breed-specific statistics and characteristics - and, for instance, generalizes the deeds of a Dogo Argentino or American Bulldog or any dog slightly mixed with any of the numerous "pitbull" breeds as actions of the collective "pitbull." IMHO, the American Pit Bull Terrier is the ONLY dog who should ever be called pit bull (as this is the only breed with the words Pit Bull in its actual name), but this is just a personal opinion.

BTW, I wanted to say that I love that you used the term "Bully breeds" in your post... this is what today's generalized "pitbull" group used to be called about 15 years ago when my interest in this subject first began (I had an American Bulldog at the time) and I still find it to be much more appropriate terminology.

As far as the "American Pit Bull Terrier" goes as a breed, you are correct to say that it is not in the AKC's breed registry - however, it is a registered breed with both the UKC and ADBA. The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is also listed as a distinct breed in Embark's breed database (independent of the American Staffordshire Terrier and other bully breeds) - which says a lot, as it is the only dog DNA comany with academic affiliation (i.e. higher standards for research and results are apparently based on over 220,000 genetic markers)... If APBT's were not a genetically distinct breed, this would be impossible to identify and inaccurate to report. Long story short: American Pit Bull Terrier is definitely a breed.

To be accurate, the AKC does actually acknowledge the APBT as an existing breed, however, they did decline breed registration of APBT's (at least, under that particular name) due to it's association with use in dog fighting. Technically, the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier were originally of the same stock - however, they developed differences over time due to the AKC's acceptance (and then closing) of entry of "pit bull" dogs into the stud registry, limiting the infusion of new DNA and thus creating the standardized appearance of the dogs who now represent the American Staffordshire Terrier breed. (See American Staffordshire Terrier History: How the AmStaff Separated From the "Pit Bull" – American Kennel Club for some great info on this!)

I, like you, also love the breed (regardless of name)... and I am nothing if not an ambassador for it! I do, however, disagree that genetics and pedigree are major components for predicting expressed aggression. Neither of my dogs come from any established line or pedigree... heck, we got them as babies without any firsthand history and had to do DNA testing just to know for sure what they were - but they are the most well-behaved, lovable, and cuddly dogs a person could own (seriously, their behavior earns them many compliments when we're out in public). While genetics can contribute to the potential of a dog's demeanor, most of a dog's behavior will have to do with how well it is trained and socialized; likewise - as is true of any kind of dog - people do need to be aware of their dog's unique personality and triggers, ensuring that safety of the dog and others is at the forefront of their priority list when deciding upon activities and / or interactions.

Personally, I find that positive reinforcement is a must when training these pups, as well as ensuring that rules, boundaries, and expectations are clearly defined for them (and set as early as possible). For instance - with a young APBT pup - we can't just tell them "no" when they try to chew on our hands or sofas and expect them to know what to do... we must tell them "no" and then hand them something that they can chew on, so they realize that "ok, I can chew on this but not that". I also find that correct tone, body language, and emotional vibes have been more important in training my APBTs than they have been when training other types of dogs that I've had... the approach must be calm, confident, and relaxed... loving, yet firm. My dogs know the difference between my (now rarely used) "mom voice" and my normal voice... there is hardly a difference - and most of the change is non-verbal and in calm loving vibes of confident expectation that the will do what I tell them (mom vibes, lol) - but they know it when they hear it and always comply.

However well-trained they may be, these are not dogs for people who like to off-leash, are naive or inexperienced, or who are either lazy or lack the motivation / time for training... not because you'll actually encounter the behaviors which are stereotypical the dog's breed, but because of the rediculous hurdle created by the of bias within today's society. You don't hear news about Labradors who bite people (though they absolutely do!) or see them with breed bans or restrictions... if a do is mostly boxer and only 20% APBT, they don't call it boxer or boxer-pit mix, they call it a pitbull. The means by which this stereotype is perpetuated is flawed and certainly skewed - and, clearly, is not doing the breed's reputation any favors. To keep these dogs safe, they have to be impeccably trained, socialized, and controlled - regardless of how comparable to those of other breeds, indiscretions of these dogs are not tolerated well by society and the result can often be devastating to both dog and family (regardless of how minor the infraction). I, myself, am very protective of my dogs and will never knowingly put them in situations in which I am not confident of the outcome. Trust me... when it comes to my dogs, it's not the pibbles that people will need to worry about.

My pups are the sweetest, most loving dogs that I have ever owned. I have always loved dogs, but I have never felt the kind of love for a dog like I do for my pitties... it seriously feels like they are my kids and I would literally do anything for them. Long story short: owning a "pitbull" is not the easiest path a person can take, but it is absolutely worth it!


Darn it! I warned you all that any of my responses to this particular subject could start turning into a book... sorry for the endless ramblings! 😆
 

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That's,interesting information, and hopefully enough to help the OP make a decision (if they come back to read it).

I would suggest though -
I do, however, disagree that genetics and pedigree are major components for predicting expressed aggression
in any dog, genetics and breeding can be predictors of behaviour. Nature and nurture. Nervy parents are more likely to produce nervy pups. I agree with you completely on the BSL, dogs should be judged on what they do, not how they look; and the idea that ”pit bull” = vicious as a given is wrong. But we can't deny genetics and epigenetics contribute to temperament - in this context, in individual dogs, not breeds as a whole.

Moreover, there's the behavioral characteristics that we have specifically selected in our breeding dogs over the millenia to create herders, hunters, guarders etc. There's a reason we don't use terriers to herd sheep. Not to say it couldn't be done, but it would be a lot harder than training a collie.
 

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That's,interesting information, and hopefully enough to help the OP make a decision (if they come back to read it).

I would suggest though -

in any dog, genetics and breeding can be predictors of behaviour. Nature and nurture. Nervy parents are more likely to produce nervy pups. I agree with you completely on the BSL, dogs should be judged on what they do, not how they look; and the idea that ”pit bull” = vicious as a given is wrong. But we can't deny genetics and epigenetics contribute to temperament - in individual dogs, not breeds as a whole.
Oh, trust me, I'm not denying that genetics contribute (I'm an RN and am in no way ignorant to that fact), but socialization and other factors pertaining to the nurture aspect are a major influence on how those genetic factors play out.

Luna, for instance, has displayed tendencies toward nervousness and fear since we got her a a pup. The love, support, training, and socialization we have provided has helped to build her confidence and is likely the reason why her reaction to new people and animals is to run up to them (albeit, with her head tucked low) and wiggle her bum excitedly, asking for affection. If nurtured to behave as such, she could have easily fallen into unpredictability and fear biting.

Loki, conversely, was insanely dominant and displayed what could only be described as too much confidence. However, we got him at the beginning of covid and his socialization opportunities suffered. He did not like or trust new people or animals; sadly, he had to regularly be muzzled for vet visits. As opportunities arose, we worked on the socialization aspect. We also worked to instill trust and respect in us from the very beginning, enabling him to ease back on his dominance and comfortably sit back as a happy carefree pup. These days, he needs no muzzle. And, as I have mentioned before, he was attacked by a small dog this summer and - instead of responding reactively (as he very well would have if his default nature were nurtured), he backed away and deferred to me for guidance.

Yes. Nature indeed plays a role. But with the right nurture, it is unfair to say that no dog of uncertain genetics is unworthy or should be avoided. That's th main point I was trying to get at, anyway.
 

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Wanted to add a little to this discussion. You are correct in that "pit bull" or "pitbull" is not technically a breed in the way that it is commonly used, but it is instead a term that society uses to describe a grouping of various dog breeds and mixes which share a set of general physical characteristics. Personally, I really despise the use of the term for this purpose, as it is also the same phrasing that is used in dog-discriminatory laws which unfairly deem all "pitbulls" vicious from birth [i.e. "BSL" or Breed Specific Legislation] and also by news / media outlets who merely perpetuate fear-related breed stereotypes for click-bait.

I also tend to take issue with this use of the term "pitbull" or "pit bull," because it confuses the general public about breed-specific statistics and characteristics - and, for instance, generalizes the deeds of a Dogo Argentino or American Bulldog or any dog slightly mixed with any of the numerous "pitbull" breeds as actions of the collective "pitbull." IMHO, the American Pit Bull Terrier is the ONLY dog who should ever be called pit bull (as this is the only breed with the words Pit Bull in its actual name), but this is just a personal opinion.

BTW, I wanted to say that I love that you used the term "Bully breeds" in your post... this is what today's generalized "pitbull" group used to be called about 15 years ago when my interest in this subject first began (I had an American Bulldog at the time) and I still find it to be much more appropriate terminology.

As far as the "American Pit Bull Terrier" goes as a breed, you are correct to say that it is not in the AKC's breed registry - however, it is a registered breed with both the UKC and ADBA. The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is also listed as a distinct breed in Embark's breed database (independent of the American Staffordshire Terrier and other bully breeds) - which says a lot, as it is the only dog DNA comany with academic affiliation (i.e. higher standards for research and results are apparently based on over 220,000 genetic markers)... If APBT's were not a genetically distinct breed, this would be impossible to identify and inaccurate to report. Long story short: American Pit Bull Terrier is definitely a breed.

To be accurate, the AKC does actually acknowledge the APBT as an existing breed, however, they did decline breed registration of APBT's (at least, under that particular name) due to it's association with use in dog fighting. Technically, the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier were originally of the same stock - however, they developed differences over time due to the AKC's acceptance (and then closing) of entry of "pit bull" dogs into the stud registry, limiting the infusion of new DNA and thus creating the standardized appearance of the dogs who now represent the American Staffordshire Terrier breed. (See American Staffordshire Terrier History: How the AmStaff Separated From the "Pit Bull" – American Kennel Club for some great info on this!)

I, like you, also love the breed (regardless of name)... and I am nothing if not an ambassador for it! I do, however, disagree that genetics and pedigree are major components for predicting expressed aggression. Neither of my dogs come from any established line or pedigree... heck, we got them as babies without any firsthand history and had to do DNA testing just to know for sure what they were - but they are the most well-behaved, lovable, and cuddly dogs a person could own (seriously, their behavior earns them many compliments when we're out in public). While genetics can contribute to the potential of a dog's demeanor, most of a dog's behavior will have to do with how well it is trained and socialized; likewise - as is true of any kind of dog - people do need to be aware of their dog's unique personality and triggers, ensuring that safety of the dog and others is at the forefront of their priority list when deciding upon activities and / or interactions.

Personally, I find that positive reinforcement is a must when training these pups, as well as ensuring that rules, boundaries, and expectations are clearly defined for them (and set as early as possible). For instance - with a young APBT pup - we can't just tell them "no" when they try to chew on our hands or sofas and expect them to know what to do... we must tell them "no" and then hand them something that they can chew on, so they realize that "ok, I can chew on this but not that". I also find that correct tone, body language, and emotional vibes have been more important in training my APBTs than they have been when training other types of dogs that I've had... the approach must be calm, confident, and relaxed... loving, yet firm. My dogs know the difference between my (now rarely used) "mom voice" and my normal voice... there is hardly a difference - and most of the change is non-verbal and in calm loving vibes of confident expectation that the will do what I tell them (mom vibes, lol) - but they know it when they hear it and always comply.

However well-trained they may be, these are not dogs for people who like to off-leash, are naive or inexperienced, or who are either lazy or lack the motivation / time for training... not because you'll actually encounter the behaviors which are stereotypical the dog's breed, but because of the rediculous hurdle created by the of bias within today's society. You don't hear news about Labradors who bite people (though they absolutely do!) or see them with breed bans or restrictions... if a do is mostly boxer and only 20% APBT, they don't call it boxer or boxer-pit mix, they call it a pitbull. The means by which this stereotype is perpetuated is flawed and certainly skewed - and, clearly, is not doing the breed's reputation any favors. To keep these dogs safe, they have to be impeccably trained, socialized, and controlled - regardless of how comparable to those of other breeds, indiscretions of these dogs are not tolerated well by society and the result can often be devastating to both dog and family (regardless of how minor the infraction). I, myself, am very protective of my dogs and will never knowingly put them in situations in which I am not confident of the outcome. Trust me... when it comes to my dogs, it's not the pibbles that people will need to worry about.

My pups are the sweetest, most loving dogs that I have ever owned. I have always loved dogs, but I have never felt the kind of love for a dog like I do for my pitties... it seriously feels like they are my kids and I would literally do anything for them. Long story short: owning a "pitbull" is not the easiest path a person can take, but it is absolutely worth it!


Darn it! I warned you all that any of my responses to this particular subject could start turning into a book... sorry for the endless ramblings! 😆
I absolutely love your "book". Haha. I couldn't have said this better. Your training info is spot on! My male is a big 80+ lb dog and everyone is afraid of him. Even though, as long as you're not trying to sneak in my yard or come in the house without me saying you're allowed, he's actually very sweet and especially loves women and kids. I never liked the "pit bull" term, while it does come from two things in their past, it doesn't fit the breed themselves. They were used in horrible ways because they are an intense and very loyal breed. They will do anything for their owners, sad past owners wouldn't do the same for them. While lovers of this breed have made huge strides, and some organizations still done accept them. (I was thrilled to find out that the dna place strictly set them up as a distinct breed!!)

I swear this story has a point
Growing up we had a genuine dog fighter (he flat out told us this and showed us how his dogs would "begin" and "end" as soon as he told them to) move in next door with 4 very obvious "working dogs". His "prize dog" was a female, ironically, she would get out and run the park playing with all dogs and kids she could find. Never tried to hurt a fly. She absolutely loved my little Chihuahua. I played with her regularly. The owner ended up going to jail (we celebrated) and the dogs were left in a small, separated kennel with no food or water for a few months (before a rescue got them). I only knew the one female dog but had heard and seen the others through the privacy fence. So when I began climbing the fence to let them out and feed/water them, I didn't know what to expect of these dogs that did not know me and to them, I was a stranger trespassing...
At first they barked and growled, when I showed no fear, they began to get excited and waggly. Lol. They were the happiest and most sweetly affectionate dogs I had ever met. Even after being abused and forced to fight, they still had love in them and got along if you asked them to, though obviously not used to it and unsure if how to. This experience created a love for the breed in my heart. How a creature so abused and taught to be aggressive could still be so loving and gentle, blew my mind and taught me what this breed was actually like in the core of the dog, without anyone asking anything of them. Since then, I've spread breed awareness and how the breed is and ways to make it be the perfect dog.

My current boy is the best. He has been taught not to chew on things that aren't his, how to guard but be a loving, kid friendly, family member. He helps to train my other dogs and has helped me rehab the tiniest of kittens. He's the perfect dog.
 

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@Beautiful Beasties I think your story says a lot about these types of dog (I hesitate to say 'breeds' but you know what I mean). For people to use/abuse them as fighting dogs, they also need to be quite easy 'people' dogs. A person wouldn't be quite so keen to get into the dog fighting business if they personally felt scared and at risk every time they interacted with their dogs. It's such a shame, their good nature has been totally used against them.

For a while, it was like that with Staffordshire Bull Terriers here in the UK, they became a status symbol for people - typically young men - who wanted to look hard. And it was precisely because of their easy nature that they became that, the sort of people who wanted them for that reason couldn't handle a more challenging dog.
 

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@Beautiful Beasties I think your story says a lot about these types of dog (I hesitate to say 'breeds' but you know what I mean). For people to use/abuse them as fighting dogs, they also need to be quite easy 'people' dogs. A person wouldn't be quite so keen to get into the dog fighting business if they personally felt scared and at risk every time they interacted with their dogs. It's such a shame, their good nature has been totally used against them.

For a while, it was like that with Staffordshire Bull Terriers here in the UK, they became a status symbol for people - typically young men - who wanted to look hard. And it was precisely because of their easy nature that they became that, the sort of people who wanted them for that reason couldn't handle a more challenging dog.
Right. Given their instincts, they can cause issues for their owners especially n occasion. But they're also so happy to please their owners that they'd do anything, if you just can make them understand what you want. Sad people's used such a great type of dog in such a way. Glad they're making a comeback
 
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