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I've read many good reviews about this product. They have a varieties in Venison, Lamb, Chicken, Beef which all contain organ, bone and even tripe. They also have Lamb Green Tripe which is just a single ingredient.

My dog is kibble fed but was planning on adding some of this raw to his diet. Anyone feed kibble along with this K9 raw? I give him a portion of his meal in kongs so was planning to add some of this to his kong frozen and give him a couple during the day.

Any feedback on this product would be appreciated!
 

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It's a good freeze-dried raw food.

The lamb and beef ones have unusually higher fat content than the other recipes, so venison and Hickenlooper are probably the healthier ones.
 

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It's a good freeze-dried raw food.

The lamb and beef ones have unusually higher fat content than the other recipes, so venison and Hickenlooper are probably the healthier ones.
Thanks! Do you know if they are balanced 80/10/10 protien/organ/meat? Do you think there would be any digestive issues with giving it in a couple kongs a day so it might really be only 10% of his diet in raw and 90% kibble to start with?
 

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Thanks! Do you know if they are balanced 80/10/10 protien/organ/meat? Do you think there would be any digestive issues with giving it in a couple kongs a day so it might really be only 10% of his diet in raw and 90% kibble to start with?
The information on DFA seems to be a little outdated, so I just went to the product website. I'll show the ingredients for the Chicken Feast and Venison Feast respectively (they don't have the plain chicken or venison on the website so I don't know if they still produce it?).

Chicken Feast
Chicken Meat, Lamb Tripe, Eggs, Brown Kelp, Flaxseed Flakes, Cabbage, Broccoli, Chard, Carrot, Cauliflower, Dried Kelp, Calcium Carbonate, Apple, Pear, New Zealand Green Mussel, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate, Sunflower Oil, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Selenium Yeast

Venison Feast
Venison Meat, Venison Blood, Venison Tripe, Eggs, Venison Liver, Venison Heart, Venison Bone, Sunflower Oil, Brown Kelp, Flaxseed Flake, Venison Kidney, Cabbage, Broccoli, Chard, Carrot, Cauliflower, Dried Kelp, Calcium Carbonate, Apple, Pear, New Zealand Green Mussel, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Selenium Yeast

The chicken one doesn't seem to contain any bone or organs (aside from tripe). The venison has meat, organs, and bone. I would still give your dog meaty bones to chew, since that will keep their dental health in check.

My only thing is I wouldn't want to pay $120 for less than 2lbs of food...
 

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Hi its a great food but expensive frozen is cheaper. 80 10 10 raw doesn't contain any fruit or veges like k9 natural does. Actually it helped us realize through urine tests via lab it was fruit and veg makimg my girls urine ph so high and cause of cystitis. So switched to 80 10 10 premade raw cleared up in few days now I balance the meals out myself. She gets veal horse goat lamb and tripe.
 

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The information on DFA seems to be a little outdated, so I just went to the product website. I'll show the ingredients for the Chicken Feast and Venison Feast respectively (they don't have the plain chicken or venison on the website so I don't know if they still produce it?).

Chicken Feast
Chicken Meat, Lamb Tripe, Eggs, Brown Kelp, Flaxseed Flakes, Cabbage, Broccoli, Chard, Carrot, Cauliflower, Dried Kelp, Calcium Carbonate, Apple, Pear, New Zealand Green Mussel, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate, Sunflower Oil, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Selenium Yeast

Venison Feast
Venison Meat, Venison Blood, Venison Tripe, Eggs, Venison Liver, Venison Heart, Venison Bone, Sunflower Oil, Brown Kelp, Flaxseed Flake, Venison Kidney, Cabbage, Broccoli, Chard, Carrot, Cauliflower, Dried Kelp, Calcium Carbonate, Apple, Pear, New Zealand Green Mussel, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Selenium Yeast

The chicken one doesn't seem to contain any bone or organs (aside from tripe). The venison has meat, organs, and bone. I would still give your dog meaty bones to chew, since that will keep their dental health in check.

My only thing is I wouldn't want to pay $120 for less than 2lbs of food...
Your right, that's confusing as they are all supposed to be full balanced meals. Also was looking at their Freeze Dried Lamb Green Tripe:

Lamb Green Tripe K9 Freeze Dried

There's no indication on the quantity to feed. They do mention it as a probiotic. I wonder in this case it's ok to give daily? Think I'll do that for now if so while in the meantime I'll take a look at some local coops in the area....will be much cheaper that route and I'll know exactly what I'm feeding.
 

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Hi its a great food but expensive frozen is cheaper. 80 10 10 raw doesn't contain any fruit or veges like k9 natural does. Actually it helped us realize through urine tests via lab it was fruit and veg makimg my girls urine ph so high and cause of cystitis. So switched to 80 10 10 premade raw cleared up in few days now I balance the meals out myself. She gets veal horse goat lamb and tripe.
Yes, the only part I didn't like was the fruits or vegs either. I'm searching for a local co-op so I can transition to raw that way!
 

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Yes, the only part I didn't like was the fruits or vegs either. I'm searching for a local co-op so I can transition to raw that way!
Where are you located and are you wanting to balance out 80 10 10 meals yourself or 80 10 10 premade? if you dont like the fruit and veg in it id skip it
 

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Your right, that's confusing as they are all supposed to be full balanced meals. Also was looking at their Freeze Dried Lamb Green Tripe:

Lamb Green Tripe K9 Freeze Dried

There's no indication on the quantity to feed. They do mention it as a probiotic. I wonder in this case it's ok to give daily? Think I'll do that for now if so while in the meantime I'll take a look at some local coops in the area....will be much cheaper that route and I'll know exactly what I'm feeding.
The problem with that is that all those good bacteria die once exposed to air, so it does the gut no good to contain dead bacteria that can't do anything. Green tripe is more or less a "dessert" food.
 

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Info is always helpful.

Most of the helpful gut bacteria are extremely sensitive to their environment. They die and become useless when exposed to oxygen unless they have been treated specifically to help them tolerate harsh environments like... air. The freeze-drying for this particular product might help stay the benefits, but it depends on what processes they have in order to keep the bacteria from dying. Probiotics are tricky things, especially since they are generally exposed to oxygen at some point before being consumed.
 

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So I've found a place that delivers locally every month in my area! It's very affordable most around $2 a pound for common proteins. I decided to start off with ground raw since it will be easier to determine bone content etc. I plan to feed kibble in am and raw in pm. Here is what I got to start off:

80/20 ground beef with 20% tripe and 10% liver/heart
Ground chicken frames w/breast meat (30% bone)
Ground turkey (27% bone)

So my dogs weight at maturity should be around 60 pound; right now he's close to 50

What is your suggestion for starting out with this plan? I've read give more bone in the beginning to avoid loose stools and not to introduce organs for the first week or two.

So should I start with the chicken for a week, then the turkey for a week; then the third week do half chicken half beef mix and rotate this with the turkey after that? As then he'd be getting close to the bone/organ content he would need except the organ which I can add another organ like kidney the following month...
 
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