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Okay so I have been wanting to do this for months now, but honestly the idea has been scary. I know this is a repeat question that is asked all the time, but bear with me.

So I want to get at least Aayla on a raw only diet. (keeping kibble for treats because lord knows thats all she will take as high value) I would like to do Kota as well but with him being Diabetic, I worry a bit. I figure that it would be even better for him but I am unsure. My vet is not completely opposed to raw but is very skeptical about it and doesn't seem to have background in animal nutrition. So I don't feel like I can talk with him. There is a holistic vet, but she is far and I'm sure very expensive.

Right now I have Aayla an 5 month old Australian Shepherd. She is currently eating Wild Calling Bison kibble (about 2.5 cups a day), a large spoon full of merrick wet food, raw goat's milk and North West Naturals Chicken and Salmon raw (8oz). This is almost double what is suggested for a puppy her size. So she burns through food like crazy, but is at a perfect weight and is lean. She will probably weight about 45 lbs.

Kota is a Chow mix, gets 0.4 CC of Insulin twice a day, is 42lbs and needs to be 35-37lbs. He is very low energy and I'm having a hard time getting the weight off of him. Right now he gets 1 cup of Wild Calling Bison (less than a dog weighing 35lbs would need), some raw goat's milk and a bit of wet food mixed in.

I have been adding raw chicken, cubed, into their diets for about 5 days now. They are doing fine with it. They are used to commercial raw so I think that may help. I know I have to watch diets that are high in carbohydrates for Kota, but going all raw would drastically reduce the carbohydrates he gets if I assume correctly. Is this sounding correct?

I can get meat that is less than $2/lb from walmart, a lot of it is bone in, like chicken quarters, chicken feet, pork neck, chicken wings, ground beef in the link form, beef liver, and other stuff that rotates. I had someone that was shocked I would get these cheaper non-grass fed organic food for Aayla. Yet I was thinking that raw like that would still be better than the premium kibble I am feeding.

I can add in whole sardines or mackerel every now and then, is it okay if it comes from a can? Would a diet changing up chicken, pork, beef and these fishes be enough for a varied diet? I can't afford lamb or rabbit or anything. Over time I want to approach butchers and ask about their scraps, but I have to get the courage to go up and ask. Lol.

Another thing is the way that Kota eats. I have been adding raw chicken chunks into their diets, I have realized Aayla will take out the chicken and chew it carefully. Kota doesn't chew...at all. I have tried bigger pieces and he just swallows it. His teeth are pretty bad (side effect of the diabetes, and a lack of care from my BF's dad) I'm working on some whimzee chews and sprays, but he still doesn't seem to like chewing too much.

Otherwise my plan would be to start with chicken breast or quarters, then slowly introduce bone in parts like feet, wings and so on. Then start giving a bit of ground beef, then beef liver, then the fish. All spending about two weeks on each protein if they handle everything well. What about eggs and egg shells? I could add about once a week but egg prices have jumped up recently. Does this sound okay?

To those that do feed vegetables which ones do you add in? I may add some from time to time, ones that are going bad. I do believe dogs do not have the same digestive system as wolves, a 1% difference in DNA is actually huge and can cause dramatic changes. Though I'm not sold on BARF or prey model yet.

Any other advice would be appreciated.
 

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i may fed pre made raw for 2 years if that but i just started out a month ago balancing Jessies out. Only thing is go slow on organs when you get to them esp if senstive system mostly the liver as its so rich. oh and as well as that make sure the bone in x2 a week. once only fed it once a week and oops puddles from number twos! @naturalfeddogs has been tremendous help to me
 
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I haven't ever dealt with a diabetic dog, but I can say I would at least call the holistic vet and talk to them. Traditional vets know very little about normal k9 nutrition, much less diabetic. It may not be different, but like I said I haven't ever had to deal with that.

Also, try this site for for some info. There are a couple of people there who could probably give you some good advice to her started with. Prey Model Raw - PMR dog food
 

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@crazy Pre-made raw is just so dang expensive. The cheapest I can get is about $4/lb which in the end means just for Aayla alone I would be spending about $140 a month! Ouch. I'll go super slow with the organ, thank you. So you only feed bone on occasion? You don't try to get it in for every meal?

@naturalfeddogs I don't know if they will talk to me, not being a client of theirs but supposedly she is wonderful and very nice. I'll see if I can give her a call. Everything I know about diabetes and the sugars in foods points to raw being very beneficial. I still would want to get clarification though for Kota. Maybe I'll just add a bit of raw to his kibble for now and I will start Aayla transitioning to 100%.

Does my plan for Aayla sound alright for a healthy 5 month old?

Do I need a variety of organs in her diet? I've seen liver quite a bit, sometimes chicken hearts but other than that I haven't seen kidney or anything.

Then also just to point out another question, are you super picky on where you get your meat from? Is raw, buying cheap, at the supermarket better than kibble? Or is it only beneficial if its more organic / grass fed / hormone free ect ect. When I can afford it I may get better raw, but right now I just can't afford the premium meats.
 

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I see you are in so cal. There are a couple of raw coop groups that you may be able to get better meat prices, they can probably give you great advice too. Good luck!
 

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@cld22 how do I find these coop groups? It would be great to find good meat places and other people.
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@naturalfeddogs I see you're a mod on that website. I can't get the validation email to send to me. I've checked that my email is correct and my spam. It isn't sending, so I can't access anything.
 

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@crazy Pre-made raw is just so dang expensive. The cheapest I can get is about $4/lb which in the end means just for Aayla alone I would be spending about $140 a month! Ouch. I'll go super slow with the organ, thank you. So you only feed bone on occasion? You don't try to get it in for every meal?

@naturalfeddogs I don't know if they will talk to me, not being a client of theirs but supposedly she is wonderful and very nice. I'll see if I can give her a call. Everything I know about diabetes and the sugars in foods points to raw being very beneficial. I still would want to get clarification though for Kota. Maybe I'll just add a bit of raw to his kibble for now and I will start Aayla transitioning to 100%.

Does my plan for Aayla sound alright for a healthy 5 month old?

Do I need a variety of organs in her diet? I've seen liver quite a bit, sometimes chicken hearts but other than that I haven't seen kidney or anything.

Then also just to point out another question, are you super picky on where you get your meat from? Is raw, buying cheap, at the supermarket better than kibble? Or is it only beneficial if its more organic / grass fed / hormone free ect ect. When I can afford it I may get better raw, but right now I just can't afford the premium meats.
Liver is the main organ, with kidney being the next, but as much variety as possible with organs is always good.


Any raw is going to be better than kibble. It doesn't have to be the best most expensive cuts, or organic, or only grass fed. Feed what you can afford. Nothing wrong with that at all. I feed meats from grocery stores sometimes that are turning green, and at their "sell by" date.
 

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Are you using the same name as here? ThatYellowDog? I will contact Natalie the site owner and see what she says. I don't know why it won't send to you.
Thank you! I signed up as theadventurek9, I just checked again but I still haven't gotten it.

Thanks for the other info, I know that there is an Asian market about an hour from me. I'm sure I can stock up on other organs and cuts there once I'm ready to add more to her diet. I'm looking up other butchers in the area and hoping to go talk to them as well.

Now the another question, should I worry at all about her (as a growing puppy) about her being nutritionally deprived during this introduction to raw time? Should I go ahead and add very small amounts of chicken liver before trying to change the protein once she proves that she can handle the chicken quarters? Right now I have her eating half Northwest Naturals premade raw and half the raw chicken. Should I keep her on that until I can get her onto organs?
 

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I would put her on just raw chicken, and not add the premade with it. Premade are commercial and have considerable other ingredients. The point of going protein by protein is so that if you run into a problem, you are able to easily know what is causing it. More all at once isn't better in this case.

I have always waited before introducing organs until the end, or at least a couple proteins in. If yours is handling things fine, no digestive issues then you can go ahead and give a very very tiny amount of liver to start, and slowly build up, if you are worried about missing anything. Just keep a close eye on poops.

I will work on your validation issue, and let you know what I find out.
 

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Now the another question, should I worry at all about her (as a growing puppy) about her being nutritionally deprived during this introduction to raw time?
Yes you should. The below article cites the dangers of feeding an unbalanced diet. I realize cats have completely different nutritional needs from dogs. But I see so many people feeding and recommending others feed primarily chicken to their dogs. Not just chicken. Bony chicken parts like backs, wings and necks.

When Raw Food is NOT the Right Food for Your Pet

Wasn't making it up when I talk about people throwing chicken parts at their dogs, see the below video. Literally throwing chicken backs at them, not measuring. These same people post videos of feeding lots of necks and going on about how much meat they're feeding. Not a lot of meat in the necks, lot of bone tho. This is not a good diet for their dogs and it kind of bothers me how they're telling other people to follow their raw diet regiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0qpR0zUu84
 

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Yes you should. The below article cites the dangers of feeding an unbalanced diet. I realize cats have completely different nutritional needs from dogs. But I see so many people feeding and recommending others feed primarily chicken to their dogs. Not just chicken. Bony chicken parts like backs, wings and necks.

When Raw Food is NOT the Right Food for Your Pet

Wasn't making it up when I talk about people throwing chicken parts at their dogs, see the below video. Literally throwing chicken backs at them, not measuring. These same people post videos of feeding lots of necks and going on about how much meat they're feeding. Not a lot of meat in the necks, lot of bone tho. This is not a good diet for their dogs and it kind of bothers me how they're telling other people to follow their raw diet regiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0qpR0zUu84
Feeding primarily just chicken only will cause problems, yes. But you shouldn't be feeding only chicken. You transition through a variety of proteins, in the process of a dog learning to eat raw. It's how you find intolerances (if any).
 

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Yes you should. The below article cites the dangers of feeding an unbalanced diet. I realize cats have completely different nutritional needs from dogs. But I see so many people feeding and recommending others feed primarily chicken to their dogs. Not just chicken. Bony chicken parts like backs, wings and necks.

When Raw Food is NOT the Right Food for Your Pet

Wasn't making it up when I talk about people throwing chicken parts at their dogs, see the below video. Literally throwing chicken backs at them, not measuring. These same people post videos of feeding lots of necks and going on about how much meat they're feeding. Not a lot of meat in the necks, lot of bone tho. This is not a good diet for their dogs and it kind of bothers me how they're telling other people to follow their raw diet regiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0qpR0zUu84
Right now Aayla is getting chicken just to start, she is actually doing fine on it. There is no loose stools at all. So if the next few days go well, I'll see if I can get turkey or pork from the store. I'm also considering adding in some chicken liver possibly before then. So it will be only a week or so that she is solely getting chicken. I also have her premade raw left, which is a mixture of different things, organs, meat, bone and some vegetables. Which I don't personally think vegetables and fruity are bad. So she gets that for her lunch.

They may not be needed, I'm still trying to figure that out, but they are not going to hurt. So I'm going to keep those in.
 

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I would put her on just raw chicken, and not add the premade with it. Premade are commercial and have considerable other ingredients. The point of going protein by protein is so that if you run into a problem, you are able to easily know what is causing it. More all at once isn't better in this case.

I have always waited before introducing organs until the end, or at least a couple proteins in. If yours is handling things fine, no digestive issues then you can go ahead and give a very very tiny amount of liver to start, and slowly build up, if you are worried about missing anything. Just keep a close eye on poops.

I will work on your validation issue, and let you know what I find out.
You should be validated now.
 

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@naturalfeddogs - I will check later today. Thank you for helping me out with that!
 
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