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Hello all, hoping someone can shed light here as I am at a 100% loss. I have worked with dogs my entire life. Never had issues with dogs, working on a positive reward based training method. It has always worked. Three years ago I bought a mini aussie that has lived with me, my girlfriend, and my border collie. Also Please don't judge me on training as I have done it for a long time with no issues and always been successful. However my mini aussie has only gotten worse with time.

When she was really young, she would full on bite (not nip) to the point blood would be drawn. Yet her environment was calm and positive always. The issue was resolved not long after and I moved past it as puppy things. She's smart and picked up on commands quickly. To this day the dog understands perfectly what come, no, sit, etc all mean. Sometimes it chooses to listen, unless if it's inconvenient. The dog used to listen to me, more so than anyone else. However things have just changed despite no change or attitude from us in the dogs environment. She growls and tries to full on tear into me or anyone else if we try to give her a bath, go in a crate, leave a certain room, etc. Again sometimes she will do it, other times she just won't. However that is the least of problems. She hates kids and will go nuts and try to attack them if she she's one. I tried every method in the book to try to stop these behaviors. I took her to a trainer who she seemed quite okay with only to get a call saying they could not and would not work with her. Their last suggestions were saying she may have anxiety but the dog is dangerous and it should be uethanized before I have a lawsuit on my hands.

Fast forward she went to a different trainer who scoffed and criticized the other trainer and said she was full of it. However it wasn't long working with the trainer he Said he had never seen anything quite like it and asked me about her past. To which I said exactly what I said here. I very calm life. Plenty of time outdoors, a very sweet other dog and me any my gf who have tried everything to help her relax. He only went on to say pretty much the other trainer may have been right and that perhaps there could be an underlying issue bur the dog is too far gone. (Insinuating I uethanize it) I love the dog because it can be sweet but I am scared for my collie and and just in general anyone who is around her including me and my gf. Like I said, I have worked with dogs a long time. I've always been super nice to her and she's never been around anyone even kind of aggressive. I don't get it and it's sad. I do not intend to have her uethanized but I am desperate for a solution.
 

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And it is to be noted, I have been bit. Enough blood was drawn. Specifically one time she wanted to get in the car my gf was leaving in and got underneath it. I thought it was funny at the time but kept a straight face and after calling her I was forced to pick her up. About five steps in she bit my forearm and due to the shock I don't quite remember the aftermath but blood was running down my arm. I crated her not knowing what to do.
 

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I'm afraid we have a policy on behaviour like this.

In the event that you dog has bitten and drawn blood, your first port of call should be a vet visit, including a thyroid check. This is especially true if the aggression is sudden and out of character. After that, you need a qualified, reputable behaviourist who uses updated, positive reinforcement based methods. We may be able to advise methods before the situation escalates to a dog bite but not after; or suggest management strategies in the interim - but as a pre-cursor, not an alternative, to a behaviourist's assessment.

We take this policy because of the seriousness of the matter. If the dog bites another person, you could find yourself civily and/or criminally legally responsible. We simply cannot see the events surrounding the bite. We're not there, we are unable to intervene just before a bite happens, and as such, it would be the height of irresponsibility for members to attempt to advise you on ways to deal with such a serious issue on your own. Any posts advising you on ways to manage the situation yourself will be subject to moderation, including deletion

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First things first, definitely go to a vet about this. Secondly, two trainers isn't all trainers-- you might try different ones.
 

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I highly urge a vet visit, specifically a full blood panel,thyroid panel, and endocrine workup. Even a port of call/consultation to a specialist for the thyroid. I would also look into petite mal seizures in dogs if the aggressive behavior also seems to occur out of nowhere.
 

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In the mean time, you might consider a muzzle that will still allow your dog to pant, drink water, and eat, but not bite...I looked at some on the internet, but they are for dogs with longer snouts, which I think a mini aussie would quality for. Even if you don't use it around the house, if you take your dog out into public, it would be a much safer thing to do.

I've no real suggestions about the aggression....and I do hope it can be figured out and something done to help. I thought maybe it could be pain related, but given she's doing things like being aggressive when you are trying to leave certain areas of the house.

Also, I don't want to get to personal here, so if you wish, ignore this question.
Did this aggressive stuff happen after your girlfriend moved in?
And if so, is she more targeted than you by the aggressive behavior?

And in the 1 in several Million chance -- and I bring this up because I have seen real hidden video evidence of this on YouTube -- there have been cases of partners being caught seriously abusing the other partner's pet, or even a new pet that snipped at them or that person's own pet. They developed a hatred for the animal and/or took their anger out on a partner's pet when the partner and they had a fight, or the partner did something to annoy that abusive partner.
Weird things like that have happened and the pet owner had absolutely no doubt that their partner would ever do something like that, until late in the game and they finally put up hidden cameras and found out what was going on behind their backs.
Again...that's probably the biggest longshot ever...but I still thought I would bring it up. :p

Also, after a vet check...perhaps you could ask the vet about trying 3 to 4 months of Prozac on your dog. It probably won't stop sudden aggression, but it might calm the brain down a little bit, and slow up things if it's anxiety related...the dog has a chance to process information before auto-reacting...and thus maybe stop a bite? I had a fearful dog I did this with, as she would full on panic at little things....it really helped. And if there are any other behavioral training methods that a trainer can come up with to help you, the meds could also allow that training to sink in a little bit better. I made a lot of progress with my semi-feral dog while she was on Prozac for 3 months. But then too, the vet might find out the problem and some other meds might be in order.

And, on a realistic note...which I hate to even bring up.
If it turns out that nothing can be found to give a reason for the aggression...that your dog's brain just has been hardwired wrong....if you Really love your dog, putting her to sleep, would be the most loving thing you could do for her. If something did go wrong and she went into full out attack and killed your collie, or permanently damaged a human, causing the loss of a finger, or facial scarring, like a nose being bitten so bad that a piece of it comes off....there is that. But too, your dog will be taken by 'strangers'....to a vet to be put down anyways...but the stress on your dog's last hours being in a dog pound, with no one around that she knows...would be terrible. At least if you are with her, if it has to end...it's easier on the dog...if not for you
Best wishes in finding out what's going on with the dog.

I am so sorry you are going through this...and I hate to bring up almost impossible scenarios, or even more realistic worse case ones...and I hope something can be done for you and your dog.

Stormy
 
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You've received some good advice, but if she were mine, I would really push your Vet for a complete workup, and possibly have a neurologist do a complete neurological workup. It may or may not change what has to be done in the end, but you would at least have good information to guide your decision process.
 
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