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Hi, this is my first time here.
My dog is Finley, he is a 7 month old Giant Schnoodle (Giant Schnauzer/Poodle mix) weighing in at 65 lbs as of this morning. He's my first dog, but not my first experience. I pet sit and took non credited vet courses through the local community collage after high school. I'm currently trying to decide if I want to pursue a career as a veterinary technician but that's a whole other story.
For the most part Finley is healthy, but he's had a few pretty weird issues since I got him, the weirdest being his urinary tract issues. It's rare for male dogs to get a UTI and my poor dog had a UTI at four months.
Some antibiotics knocked it out and he went on with his life until in the last week he's developed a hesitancy to pee and a broken stream. I took him to the vet of course, no UTI to speak of but his urine has a high Ph, inflammatory cells and crystals. My vet suspects bladder stones and I'm currently searching for a vet who can do a sonogram of his bladder but until then I'm looking into switching up his diet to help with the crystals and generally increasing his water intake. My vet wanted to put him on a prescription diet to help his urinary tract but the kind they recommend isn't for growth and Fin is a large breed pup so now I'm looking for alternatives I wasn't jazzed about him being on a prescription diet so young anyway.
So does anyone have any brand suggestions? I am interested in a more high quality canned diet but I can’t spend piles of cash on dog food right now. Soon after he turns one year and is neutered I want to switch him onto a homemade diet using Balance It and the venison we get over the hunting season (trying to figure out how I could incorporate organ meat into his food), but for now I just need something other than dry food.
Right now he is on Diamond Naturals Large Breed Puppy Lamb Recipe. I soak it overnight in the fridge.
He is on Coco and Luna Urinary Tract Cranberry suppliments, probiotics from Pet Vitaliy Pro, and Super Snouts Green Lipped Muscle Powder.
Any suggestions for food brands or suppliments to try is deeply appreciated. Also if anyone has any suggestions to help with bladder stones until I can get a hard diagnosis (it might not even be bladder stones, he could just be having some hydration issues, we'll see as soon as I get an appointment for further testing) I'd appreciate that as well.
Also this is my first post here, so just hello, I am Nellie, my pup is Clark Angus Finley (or just Finley lol), and I'm sorry for the long post.
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Hi and welcome.

When my dog was poorly, I found adding about a table spoonful of the water from a can of tuna in spring water (not brine) in his normal water bowl helped persuade him to drink more.

Do you know of any Dalmatian groups? They can have similar urinary crystal problems, so you might get some good tips. Not that we want to drive you away from here, I hope you will update us and post more photos of the lovely Finley!
 

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Hi and welcome.

When my dog was poorly, I found adding about a table spoonful of the water from a can of tuna in spring water (not brine) in his normal water bowl helped persuade him to drink more.

Do you know of any Dalmatian groups? They can have similar urinary crystal problems, so you might get some good tips. Not that we want to drive you away from here, I hope you will update us and post more photos of the lovely Finley!
Thank you, I bought him some broth for dogs yesterday but tuna water is a great idea. I'm currently shopping for a fountain as Fin drinks running water more readily than standing water, and I am soaking his food overnight and topping with canned food until I find him something new.
I don't know of any dalmatian groups but I'll keep that in mind.
 

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This article may be helpful to you.
Diet for dogs with calcium oxalate bladder stones - Elmo's Kitchen (elmoskitchen.com)

From the article:
'To decrease the chances of your dog developing bladder stones, you should avoid feeding foods that contain high levels of oxalate such as spinach, sweet potatoes, organ meat and brown rice. Instead, include foods with lower oxalate levels like apples (peeled), white rice and meats and fish in their diet.'
 

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This article may be helpful to you.
Diet for dogs with calcium oxalate bladder stones - Elmo's Kitchen (elmoskitchen.com)

From the article:
'To decrease the chances of your dog developing bladder stones, you should avoid feeding foods that contain high levels of oxalate such as spinach, sweet potatoes, organ meat and brown rice. Instead, include foods with lower oxalate levels like apples (peeled), white rice and meats and fish in their diet.'
Thank you, I'll check that out. Trying to book an appointment to get him a sonogram is absolutely insane, no availabilities until late August. My name is down for cancelations at three veterinary offices and one specialist. Until I get him his sonogram I won't know if it's really stones, but until then I am trying to change his diet and up his hydration.
I found a brand I'm looking into, my vet suggested I choose something more premium for now until we know 100% what's going on, I'm looking into Tailored. I'm also reading up on Ollie but as much as I like the idea of feeding him human grade it's so expensive, and I can't make my own until he is an adult.
 

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Thank you, I'll check that out. Trying to book an appointment to get him a sonogram is absolutely insane, no availabilities until late August. My name is down for cancelations at three veterinary offices and one specialist. Until I get him his sonogram I won't know if it's really stones, but until then I am trying to change his diet and up his hydration.
I found a brand I'm looking into, my vet suggested I choose something more premium for now until we know 100% what's going on, I'm looking into Tailored. I'm also reading up on Ollie but as much as I like the idea of feeding him human grade it's so expensive, and I can't make my own until he is an adult.
If time is of the essence, you might look for a fully equipped mobile vet. It will be costly. but is an alternative.
Mine travels in this huge, fully equipped medical laboratory; but not sure if she has sonogram equipment inside.

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If time is of the essence, you might look for a fully equipped mobile vet. It will be costly. but is an alternative.
Mine travels in this huge, fully equipped medical laboratory; but not sure if she has sonogram equipment inside.

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Thank you, it's not urgent thankfully. I have a knack for noticing things before they become a real problem. It's just nerve shredding to think about him having stones so young.
I'll call around. At my vet a sonogram is $55 so I'm hoping to get a canceled appointment there, but if something opens up sooner I'm willing to pay more, I hate waiting when I know something is wrong.
 

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I have a good idea of what you are going through. My vet is also about 3-4 weeks out just for a yearly exam, and it is nerve wracking to think what would happen if there was something urgent. My now 2+ yr old Golden puppy was due for her vaccinations last August in the height of the mess when there were no appointments to be had. The county could have cared less so I had to call that mobile vet..It was about $100 extra, but the peace of mind doing it in my garage was worth it.
Covid is picking up fast here again, and I am considering using the mobile vet once again.

Hope things go well for you and your pup.(y)
 

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Did your vet do Rads? Bladder stones show up on xrays. Also Schaunzers are a breed that have a problem with bladder stones. I do believe that the health issue with Dalmations that causes them to develop bladder stones is different that what causes them in Schnauzers. Struvite can be dissolved oxalate cannot be.
 

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You can have his DNA tested to see if he carries the gene that causes bladder stones. It will help you manage his health better and you will have a definitive answer.
 

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You can have his DNA tested to see if he carries the gene that causes bladder stones. It will help you manage his health better and you will have a definitive answer.
Hello, sorry I didn't check back for a few days, I had to euthize one of my birds last week.
Thank you, I didn't know that about Schnauzers. I already had him DNA tested and as far as I know, no gene that causes bladder stones. According to his test he carries no recessive health issues, his parents were also tested and I have health certifications from his breeder (which I double checked with further testing). I will check with my vet and see if bladder stones were covered in the test, just to be sure.
Still no appointment for the sonogram (the vet said it would be more effective than xrays and it's considerably cheaper, Finley broke his toe about a month and a half ago and the price of that visit nearly broke the bank, if only I knew it would heal without any intervention lol). Luckily his issues aren't urgent, the issues with scheduling an appointment are driving me insane though.

I'm wondering if anyone buys their food from Ollie? I know I said I need a budgeted option but I'm working on making long term changes to Finley's diet and lifestyle to hopefully decrease vet visits and extend his life. Only issue is Ollie costs me $50 a week for a dog Finley's size and it's only going to go up as he grows, so I want to be sure it's worth it. After reading the reviews and looking at the company from every angle I could think of I decided to order a trial box, I can cancel anytime but I figured I'd give it a try.
Anyone have any experiences with Ollie or any alternative options? I'm also looking at Open Farm and Tailored.
 

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I am surprised that an ultrasound is less money than an x ray. Where I work and ultrasound costs $150 where an x ray is $65.
Here it's $170 ish for x rays or more and $55 for a sonogram. I'm going to switch vets after Finley is neutered, their prices are wonky, they charged me $130 for a splint I could've bought online for $10 and put on myself for nothing, and told me I had to come back every week for eight weeks to get it changed for $120 each time. Meanwhile according to his orthopedic surgeon he didn't need a splint, and he was back to normal with no limp in under two weeks after it was removed at one week for giving him a skin problem. Not to mention I see a different doctor every time so I feel like we're always playing catch up.
 

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Okay a bit of an update...
I finally got Fin an appointment for an ultrasound. I drop him off tomorrow at nine, so I should know tomorrow evening if he has stones or if something else is going on.
I switched him onto Ollie's food today, he really liked it but that figures. We'll see if it helps anything past his appetite. It was a bit shocking to see him eat so quickly, he's so picky and not food motivated at all.
On another note, he's getting neutered next week. I managed to get a neuter appointment, so when I called for the ultrasound again and they wanted to schedule me for mid August I said I wanted to get him in before his neuter, and they found an appointment for the ultrasound. I'm frustrated it took this long to get him scheduled, but at least he's finally getting checked out.
 

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Okay, Fin finally got checked out today and he doesn't have stones!
I was so surprised, I tend to attract unhealthy animals so I was honestly expecting him to have stones, but he is all clear. The vet said his bladder looks healthy.
I still want to put him on better food in the long term. For now he is on Ollie, although I don't know how long I can maintain it, we'll see. I'm just happy he's in the clear.
Here are some more pictures of my happy boy, I have a lot of them lol
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