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As the title says, I am looking for some advice regarding my 2 female pups. First, a little history about them...

I was contacted by a friend who works with a local rescue. She was out of town, and needed someone to pick up a mama dog and her 9 puppies ( approx 4 wks old). Mama was in bad shape, really skinny and on a chain outside with the babies.

When I picked them up to take to the rescue, the owner insisted on keeping one of the pups (the runt female). I also kept one of the females, as they were eating solid food and the rescue planned to wean them due to mother's health.

A couple weeks later, the owners contacted me and said they couldn't keep the runt female. I went and picked her up, and for awhile all was good.

Recently, however, they have been fighting alot with each other. They are almost 1 yr old. It's not over food, toys, treats, they just fight almost constantly. To the point I have to keep them separate at all times. If they can't be trained to get along, I will have to re-home one of them.

Looking up the subject, it seems to be a common issue with siblings, especially same gender siblings (2 female or 2 males). I did not know this when I decided to keep the second female... Any advice or input is welcome.
 

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Females can be very difficult. They'll fight to the death if they're both the dominant type.. but I think that it depends on the breed too. Honestly, I've avoided getting another female for that reason.


In your situation, unfortunately, I would probably rehome one too :(
 

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As the title says, I am looking for some advice regarding my 2 female pups. First, a little history about them...

I was contacted by a friend who works with a local rescue. She was out of town, and needed someone to pick up a mama dog and her 9 puppies ( approx 4 wks old). Mama was in bad shape, really skinny and on a chain outside with the babies.

When I picked them up to take to the rescue, the owner insisted on keeping one of the pups (the runt female). I also kept one of the females, as they were eating solid food and the rescue planned to wean them due to mother's health.

A couple weeks later, the owners contacted me and said they couldn't keep the runt female. I went and picked her up, and for awhile all was good.

Recently, however, they have been fighting alot with each other. They are almost 1 yr old. It's not over food, toys, treats, they just fight almost constantly. To the point I have to keep them separate at all times. If they can't be trained to get along, I will have to re-home one of them.

Looking up the subject, it seems to be a common issue with siblings, especially same gender siblings (2 female or 2 males). I did not know this when I decided to keep the second female... Any advice or input is welcome.
My first issue is, "If the dogs are being taken away..why is the owner and yourself allowed to keep a pup??" This doesn't make sense to me. Even if the owner called and said "Come get these pups and mama", like heck would he be allowed to keep one. Now he can not keep the one he kept... I see a pattern.

As for sibling fighting, it's genetics, no matter the breed. Some dogs can not be with other dogs. Time to separate.
 

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Females can be very difficult. They'll fight to the death if they're both the dominant type.. but I think that it depends on the breed too. Honestly, I've avoided getting another female for that reason.


In your situation, unfortunately, I would probably rehome one too :(
I agree, they may and can 'fight to the death'. I had 2 dogs that ate,played and slept together for 2 years (both spayed and neutered), then they fought over something silly (we will never know with dogs) and one killed the other in my livingroom. (15 years ago).

I do disagree, however, "To rehome" for someone else to have issues. The only way is to separate them.

As a long time owner of the American Pit Bull Terrier, I had a few dogs that couldn't be together. My husband and I did the crate and rotate for years.

DA (dog aggression) has different levels of it. Low to high. I've dealt with both.
 

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I highly recommend you look into Littermate Syndrome. Aggression between siblings can totally happen. In most cases re homing one of the puppies is likely recommended.
 

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My first issue is, "If the dogs are being taken away..why is the owner and yourself allowed to keep a pup??" This doesn't make sense to me. Even if the owner called and said "Come get these pups and mama", like heck would he be allowed to keep one. Now he can not keep the one he kept... I see a pattern.


As for sibling fighting, it's genetics, no matter the breed. Some dogs can not be with other dogs. Time to separate.
At the time, when I picked up the mama and puppies, I was more concerned with getting as many as possible to safety. I advised the owner to surrender all, but they insisted on keeping one. I didn't want to leave them all there. Perhaps I should have been more firm about taking all or none...
 

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I do disagree, however, "To rehome" for someone else to have issues. The only way is to separate them.

As a long time owner of the American Pit Bull Terrier, I had a few dogs that couldn't be together. My husband and I did the crate and rotate for years.

DA (dog aggression) has different levels of it. Low to high. I've dealt with both.
Both of these females are not agressive with other dogs, they actually play well with my other 2 dogs. They also both get along with my cat. But with each other they want to fight. I do not see how rehoming one would pass on the issues to the new owner. It seems to me it would end the issues for both dogs.

I am currently keeping them apart, and rotating each of them, but this does not seem entirely fair to either dog. Ialso worry that the agression between them may eventually affect how they behave with other dogs.
 

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Females can be very difficult. They'll fight to the death if they're both the dominant type.. but I think that it depends on the breed too. Honestly, I've avoided getting another female for that reason.


In your situation, unfortunately, I would probably rehome one too
I highly recommend you look into Littermate Syndrome. Aggression between siblings can totally happen. In most cases re homing one of the puppies is likely recommended.
I appreciate the advice. Have read some on littermate syndrome. Had I known from the beginning, I would have rehomed one as a 6 wk old. They got along well for so long, but yes, I think they are both (trying to be) dominant. I am talking to a trainer/behaviorist locally as well, but in the end I may end up finding a good home for one... Thanks again for the advice.
 

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As previously mentioned, it is surprisingly common in litter mates. The other thing that can happen is they become so attached to each other they don't bond to humans and develop poor social skills.

I would HIGHLY recommend re-homing as dog fights tend to increase in frequency and severity once they have started.
 

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Best of luck. Sibling bitches can be a very difficult task. I'm not a big fan of management but when it comes to sisters, I'm willing to go there.
 

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Another thing that no one has mentioned yet is that both of these pups were removed from their litter way too early. The minimum recommendation, and often legal requirement, is that dogs stay with their litter and mom until they are at least 8 weeks old. This is so they can learn vital socialization skills both from litter mates and from mom. There's even a push for mom and litters to stay together even longer, up to 12 weeks depending on the breed, for socialization. A lot of times you'll hear about people taking mom away because the pups are weaned, but mom is way more than just a restaurant to the pups. Mom teaches valuable lessons about how to behave and interact with the world around them, in the same way that human parents don't just part ways with their children once they're no longer breastfeeding.

You've got a lot going against you. Pups lacking vital socialization skills, littermate syndrome, same sex aggression(notably female aggression), and please don't take this the wrong way but it also seems like you are somewhat inexperienced as a dog owner. It's great that you're working with a trainer and trying to find a solution. It also sounds like you're catching this early and trying to nip it in the bud, so you've got that going for you. Unfortunately IME female aggression will get worse and is usually only managed not actually cured. Once those girls get it in their head that they don't like someone, they usually hate them for life. They don't call them bitches for nothing.
 

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Another thing that no one has mentioned yet is that both of these pups were removed from their litter way too early. The minimum recommendation, and often legal requirement, is that dogs stay with their litter and mom until they are at least 8 weeks old. This is so they can learn vital socialization skills both from litter mates and from mom. There's even a push for mom and litters to stay together even longer, up to 12 weeks depending on the breed, for socialization. A lot of times you'll hear about people taking mom away because the pups are weaned, but mom is way more than just a restaurant to the pups. Mom teaches valuable lessons about how to behave and interact with the world around them, in the same way that human parents don't just part ways with their children once they're no longer breastfeeding.

You've got a lot going against you. Pups lacking vital socialization skills, littermate syndrome, same sex aggression(notably female aggression), and please don't take this the wrong way but it also seems like you are somewhat inexperienced as a dog owner. It's great that you're working with a trainer and trying to find a solution. It also sounds like you're catching this early and trying to nip it in the bud, so you've got that going for you. Unfortunately IME female aggression will get worse and is usually only managed not actually cured. Once those girls get it in their head that they don't like someone, they usually hate them for life. They don't call them bitches for nothing.

Thanks for the input. As to them being weaned and taken from Mom early, that was not a choice I made - the rescue was doing that due to mom's physical condition. Included a couple pics from the day I picked mama and pups up to take to the rescue.

As to my being inexperienced as a dog owner - i have owned dogs, and raised puppies before. Admittedly I am inexperienced having siblings, and I did not intend to this time. However, a couple weeks after I picked up mama and pups I received a call saying the owner could not keep the pup they had insisted on keeping. No offense taken, and I will pursue rehoming the pup if that's what the trainer and I decide is best for both dogs. I was simply looking for other people's experiences and input. Thanks again.
 

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Thank you for helping these pups.

Had I known from the beginning, I would have rehomed one as a 6 wk old.
I don't have any advice for you today, but I really wanted to thank you for taking in the pups! I am betting you have given them great care and love. And a lot of your time. Because of you, they probably will have a great chance of trusting people as they grow.

Yes, I totally agree with the poster who wrote about dogs being taken way too early from their mom and siblings, and thus having a much higher probability of issues. So important!!!!!!

But----as you stated, sometimes this just isn't an option! You are trying to help these pups and to me, that is completely noble of you.

And I want to add that bc you sound like a genuinely concerned dog owner, I am betting that you have probably taught these young dogs many great things while in your care. So if you do end up having to rehome one, at least the pup will have a much better success rate in their new home.

Fighting dogs in the home is no fun and serious business unfortunately. Super, super stressful to the humans and the dogs. And scary, too.

My best to you all.

Keep us updated?
 

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Oh and thanks for posting the pic of the pups. They look absolutely adorable.

Is the tan dog the mama???? Poor doggie. So skinny. My heart breaks knowing dogs are having to live this way. What is wrong with people?

Thx again for all your help to save these dogs. Thank heavens there are good people like you out there to help in these terrible situations.
 
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