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Hi everyone. I am looking for some advice for my almost 3 year old Shiba Inu/Jack Russell mix who is very reactive and seems to have anxiety towards quite a few things and we are looking for some help.

For starters, she is an amazing, sweet and super smart dog and I cannot tell you how much my wife and I love her, not to mention our family and friends. However, we feel that her life and our life would be better if we were able to sort through some of these challenges.

With the birth of our daughter we temporarily moved back into our inlaw's house who also have a small dog. Things started off ok, however things have gotten consistently worse in regards to the two dogs' relationship. For example, if we give a treat to both of them, our dog will drop her treat and attack the other dog because also got a treat too (when I say attack, I'm probably making it sound worse than it is, I've separated them quite a few times and I don't believe any hard biting happens, however you can't be 100% sure and nonetheless, it is not acceptable behavior and I don't want to risk things getting further out of hand), new toy - attack, someone comes in and pets the other dog first - attack. Despite this, they still play together every day, however it is not fair for the other dog to be scared of certain things in her own house because of our dog and we also don't want this behavior to spread to how she would get along with other dogs.

When she was just a puppy, we socialized her with a ton of dogs without issue but something seems to have changed. Now, even when we walk her she parks and growls at every dog (this started before we moved in with the inlaws, however it's definitely gotten worse) whereas before, she would be friendly and want to play with all dogs.

There are also quite a few examples of reactivity:

- We played with her with a laser once now she’s scared of shadows and reflections. Goes nuts when she sees them.

- Runs and hides when we are leaving the house. We think she is scared of the harness/leadh and the fsct that we might be going in the car. Once on walk, she is happy.

- Leash pulling/doesn’t walk straight. Anything she sees on her walk is a distraction.

- She has started to bark at some people now too on her walks for no reason.

- If you try and move her/pick her up when she is very relaxed/sleeping she doesn’t want to be moved, she will snarl and “bite” you (she doesnt bite hard, but it's still unacceptable). It's understandable that moving her when she is relaxed would be a bother, however if she is in a spot we need, we need her to move sometimes.

- No recall skills. Also scared when the door is open thay she might bolt. Also scared when the door is open because she migh

- Barks at TV if she sees animals.

- Cries when she wants something g and doesn't give up.

- If we are watching sports and cheer or we are laughing loud she gets very scared/nervous and starts barking like crazy. Sometimes even certain words we say will give her anxiety. (E.g. wow, look, etc.).

To sum things up, I'd say what's most important to us is that since we have a daughter that is starting to crawl and will probably walk soon, we want to make sure that our dog works through some of these issues now. Our dog is very sweet with our daughter (licks her hands and feet, will sit beside her gently, etc.), however once we have a full blown child on our hands we want to make sure she is well behaved. We can literally take toys and treats out of her mouth and she won't do anything, but now have a small child do these things and we're not sure yet how thay looks. Might be fine and probably will be, but why not takes steps to ensure a safer amd happier relationship now?

The other most important thing is her relationship with the other dog. We won't be here too long but we still want to make sure that for the months remaining that they can get along.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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What you need to do is train your dog what you want her to do. In relation to the other dog, put a leash on her so you can prevent her from harassing the other dog.

And even better, teach her to sit for a treat. Dogs make terrible decisions, so make them for her by teaching her how you want her to behave in these situations. If you don't know how, or how to get started, find a trainer or a class.
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There's a lot in here. Let's break it down.

Other Dogs

When she was just a puppy, we socialized her with a ton of dogs without issue but something seems to have changed. Now, even when we walk her she parks and growls at every dog
This is a common mistake that is made with socialisation. It shouldn't be about meeting a ton of dogs, it should be about observing (many things, not just dogs) without interacting. What may have happened is that you have flooded her and now she is no longer a pup, she is telling other dogs to get out of her space.

This is actually not uncommon but very few dogs really want to get into a fight. All of their instincts tell them not to - in the wild, the risk of injury is simply too great. In fact, aggressive behaviour is almost always rooted in fear.

By putting on a big display, your dog is trying to frighten off the other dog, her body language is saying 'I'm loud and big and scary, don't come close to me if you know what's good for you'. And almost always the other dog will retreat, or be taken away by his owner, so your dog's behaviour becomes reinforced. It worked, so she knows she can do it again.

This sort of behaviour often happens when your dog is on lead, which means that she has found herself closer to the other dog than she would have chosen if she had been able to.

She will have an invisible radius of space around her where she feels secure. It's called flight distance, anything within that space triggers her fight or flight stress response, which you may have heard of. Find out what that is and keep her far enough away from other dogs that she is aware of them, but relaxed. Your goal is to train that she doesn't need to react; not to stop a reaction in progress.

Reward her for being calm with something fabulous, like frankfurter sausage or a very special toy. The aim of this is to change your dog’s emotional response to the stressful thing (the other dog) by repeatedly pairing it with something good. In time, your dog will learn that scary dogs mean sausages appear and this creates something called a positive conditioned emotional response (+CER).

This website explains it in more detail - Care for Reactive Dogs

Gradually, over weeks and months rather than days, you can work on reducing the distance. This may mean you have to be selective where you walk - choose places with good visibility so you can give other dogs a wide berth, or where you can turn and walk away easily. But - be aware that if your dog has had a stressful episode the stress hormone cortisol can stay in the body for some time. Studies in dogs are inconclusive but it may be several days. That means that if her cortisol level is already high, the distance she was comfortable with on one day might be too close on another day. So the safe distance can change, watch her body language.

Alongside that you could train a 'watch me'. As your dog looks at you, mark and reward the behaviour. Ask for longer periods of watching. Then if a dog approaches, after you have worked on the distance issue, you can get your dog to focus on you and not the other dog. BUT - some dogs find this scary as they cannot see the thing they are anxious about so you need to judge your dog. And importantly, don't ask your dog to watch you if it is the other dog that is reactive. Your dog should never be in a situation where she could be at risk while she is complying with something you have asked her to do.

Trainers describe behaviour like this with reference to the three Ds. Distance, as above but also be aware of Duration - your dog might be tolerant for 10 seconds, but not 15; and Distraction - how distracting the stimulus is, a calm dog might not trigger any reaction at a given distance but a bouncy one might.

In addition, the conformation (shape) or even colour of some dogs can trigger a reaction. Very broad fronted dogs (such as mastiffs or bulldogs) create the impression of 'facing up' just because of their shape, which can be intimidating even if their temperament is perfect. And black dogs are thought to have facial body language that is harder to read. Some dogs will be more reactive to un-neutered males, or particular breeds for no apparent reason. Learn what triggers reactions in your dog so that you can give her the extra support she needs.

Harness and leash

First make sure nothing is uncomfortable. Nothing rubbing, no buckles or fasteners near her elbows etc. Is it a Y or H shaped harness at the front? H shaped harnesses, where a strap goes horizontally across the chest, restrict free shoulder movement and cause orthopaedic problems. Some dogs don't like harnesses that have to go over their head, or that have fasteners that make a loud click. If any of that applies, change your kit.

Then, slowly build up her confidence with it. Put it on the floor. If she looks at it, reward (immediately so it's clear what the reward is for). A clicker or other sound marker would be useful for this, so as not to derail this thread there's one here on how to use a clicker Behavior Diagnosis

Build up slowly, to her coming to you to see the harness, touching the harness, holding it against her side etc. until you can put it on, using lots and lots of reward

Pulling and Recall

We have a whole area of the forum dedicated to recall and walking nicely on leash. I'd just add, it helps you if you look at the work you put into this as a training exercise as opposed to trying to go for a walk. Not having the idea of actually going somewhere takes the pressure off you.


Treats and the other dog

Animals are hard wired not to share. In the wild, it could be the difference between survival and death. So never give the two treats together.

Do, however, by hyper-aware that this could transfer to your child so be very vigilant. If your child is eating, I'd suggest simultaneously feeding your dog but separated by a baby gate.
We can literally take toys and treats out of her mouth and she won't do anything
This is NOT a step to ensuring a safer and happier relationship.

If you were in a restaurant enjoying a favourite meal, and someone came and snatched your fork out of your mouth and took away your food, how do you think you would feel? If they did it repeatedly, you would (a) start to get more nervous that your food was at risk; (b) start to get more possessive and guard it harder; and (c) get creative with your cutlery - your dog doesn't use cutlery so she might use her teeth.

It's not a bad idea to teach a 'drop it' in case she gets something she shouldn't but if you have to ask her to give something, always have something better as a swap.

Picking her up

Pretend she is a Great Dane. Honestly, bear with me.

We pick up small dogs because it's convenient for us but like in the analogy I gave about food, how do you think you would feel if you were dozing in a comfortable chair and someone suddenly and unexpectedly threw you off it? You wouldn't be able to just lift up a Great Dane, so treat your dog in the same way. Instead of lifting her, lure her off using a treat and at the same time giving her a verbal cue like ”move off”. Once she understands, you can use the cue and treat her as a reward for complying.

That said, there may be times you need to lift her, for example on to the vet's table - so train her to accept being lifted.

First, do it when she is awake, not dozing in the sun. Then, tell her so it isn't a surprise. Say something like ”lift up” and use one hand under her chest and the other supporting her hind feet. Immediately reward, using your third hand (sorry :rolleyes:) and put her down. Repeat regularly.
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I think JoanneF has a great post. I'd just like to add a little bit to it about picking dogs up. I think she made a great point that people get into the habit of rudely hoisting small dogs into the air simply because it's is a quick and easy way to shift the dog. And, of course, some small dogs get throughly fed up with human bad manners after they've been rudely hoisted a few too many times.

I like to play games that teach the dog to move into the correct place on command. One such game is hand targeting: the dog learns to poke the palm of my hand with his nose. At first we keep it easy, just moving a little to the left and a little to the right. Once the dog gets the idea we add some challenge. I hold my hand under chairs, up on the sofa back, etc. so the dog needs to bend and jump to reach my hand. Eventually we modify this game so the dog learns to jump on and off furniture on command. Once the dog gets used to the idea that moving is part of a game, it becomes much easier to reclaim my spot on the bed or the sofa. I simply ask the dog to move and reward heavily when he does.
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You have a lot of issues, and I think the solution is clear: seek help from a professional dog trainer in your area.

Like you, I also started out thinking I could do it myself. I had far fewer problems to solve than you do. The people on this forum were nice and helpful, and they gave me a lot of good advice. But you know what? That was still a lot slower and less efficient than just taking my dog to a trainer. After I took my dog to a class and saw the rapid progress my dog made, I wondered why I didn't just start with that. (Well, I knew why -- the pandemic.) Training a dog isn't easy, and the learning curve is pretty steep for DIYers. There will be a lot of frustration if you try to do it on your own. Do you feel like taking years to figure out how to train a dog with the help of this forum, be my guest. In the meanwhile the problems persist. If you want the problem solved in a timely manner, go to a local trainer.
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You have a lot of issues, and I think the solution is clear: seek help from a professional dog trainer in your area.

Like you, I also started out thinking I could do it myself. I had far fewer problems to solve than you do. The people on this forum were nice and helpful, and they gave me a lot of good advice. But you know what? That was still a lot slower and less efficient than just taking my dog to a trainer. After I took my dog to a class and saw the rapid progress my dog made, I wondered why I didn't just start with that. (Well, I knew why -- the pandemic.) Training a dog isn't easy, and the learning curve is pretty steep for DIYers. There will be a lot of frustration if you try to do it on your own. Do you feel like taking years to figure out how to train a dog with the help of this forum, be my guest. In the meanwhile the problems persist. If you want the problem solved in a timely manner, go to a local trainer.
Finding a real life trainer is a good idea.

But. Not everyone needs a behaviourist or trainer, not everyone has the funds for a behaviourist or trainer (especially not in these times), and actually, coming to the forum is a lot quicker than getting an appointment with a behaviourist or trainer.

I'm sorry you didn't find all the help that you were given useful. But please remember that a lot of very experienced members freely give their precious time and generously share their considerable experience to help people who come here, and consider that your depreciative comment could be seen as dismissive of that time and effort.

I'm sure that wasn't what you intended, but just because you needed more help doesn't mean we will be closing down the Training and Behaviour section and just telling people to go to a real life trainer.
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Back in the day, we had no professional dog trainers (or at least they were uncommon); yet somehow we all managed, as did our dogs. Just sayin!
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I feel like I need to quote myself. I think some people might have missed a critical sentence.

The people on this forum were nice and helpful, and they gave me a lot of good advice.
There is a role for something like this forum. I for one am amazed by the dedication of some members who again and again answer the same basic questions. But there are limits to what we can accomplish over text.
There's a lot in here. Let's break it down.

Other Dogs


This is a common mistake that is made with socialisation. It shouldn't be about meeting a ton of dogs, it should be about observing (many things, not just dogs) without interacting. What may have happened is that you have flooded her and now she is no longer a pup, she is telling other dogs to get out of her space.

This is actually not uncommon but very few dogs really want to get into a fight. All of their instincts tell them not to - in the wild, the risk of injury is simply too great. In fact, aggressive behaviour is almost always rooted in fear.

By putting on a big display, your dog is trying to frighten off the other dog, her body language is saying 'I'm loud and big and scary, don't come close to me if you know what's good for you'. And almost always the other dog will retreat, or be taken away by his owner, so your dog's behaviour becomes reinforced. It worked, so she knows she can do it again.

This sort of behaviour often happens when your dog is on lead, which means that she has found herself closer to the other dog than she would have chosen if she had been able to.

She will have an invisible radius of space around her where she feels secure. It's called flight distance, anything within that space triggers her fight or flight stress response, which you may have heard of. Find out what that is and keep her far enough away from other dogs that she is aware of them, but relaxed. Your goal is to train that she doesn't need to react; not to stop a reaction in progress.

Reward her for being calm with something fabulous, like frankfurter sausage or a very special toy. The aim of this is to change your dog’s emotional response to the stressful thing (the other dog) by repeatedly pairing it with something good. In time, your dog will learn that scary dogs mean sausages appear and this creates something called a positive conditioned emotional response (+CER).

This website explains it in more detail - Care for Reactive Dogs

Gradually, over weeks and months rather than days, you can work on reducing the distance. This may mean you have to be selective where you walk - choose places with good visibility so you can give other dogs a wide berth, or where you can turn and walk away easily. But - be aware that if your dog has had a stressful episode the stress hormone cortisol can stay in the body for some time. Studies in dogs are inconclusive but it may be several days. That means that if her cortisol level is already high, the distance she was comfortable with on one day might be too close on another day. So the safe distance can change, watch her body language.

Alongside that you could train a 'watch me'. As your dog looks at you, mark and reward the behaviour. Ask for longer periods of watching. Then if a dog approaches, after you have worked on the distance issue, you can get your dog to focus on you and not the other dog. BUT - some dogs find this scary as they cannot see the thing they are anxious about so you need to judge your dog. And importantly, don't ask your dog to watch you if it is the other dog that is reactive. Your dog should never be in a situation where she could be at risk while she is complying with something you have asked her to do.

Trainers describe behaviour like this with reference to the three Ds. Distance, as above but also be aware of Duration - your dog might be tolerant for 10 seconds, but not 15; and Distraction - how distracting the stimulus is, a calm dog might not trigger any reaction at a given distance but a bouncy one might.

In addition, the conformation (shape) or even colour of some dogs can trigger a reaction. Very broad fronted dogs (such as mastiffs or bulldogs) create the impression of 'facing up' just because of their shape, which can be intimidating even if their temperament is perfect. And black dogs are thought to have facial body language that is harder to read. Some dogs will be more reactive to un-neutered males, or particular breeds for no apparent reason. Learn what triggers reactions in your dog so that you can give her the extra support she needs.

Harness and leash

First make sure nothing is uncomfortable. Nothing rubbing, no buckles or fasteners near her elbows etc. Is it a Y or H shaped harness at the front? H shaped harnesses, where a strap goes horizontally across the chest, restrict free shoulder movement and cause orthopaedic problems. Some dogs don't like harnesses that have to go over their head, or that have fasteners that make a loud click. If any of that applies, change your kit.

Then, slowly build up her confidence with it. Put it on the floor. If she looks at it, reward (immediately so it's clear what the reward is for). A clicker or other sound marker would be useful for this, so as not to derail this thread there's one here on how to use a clicker Behavior Diagnosis

Build up slowly, to her coming to you to see the harness, touching the harness, holding it against her side etc. until you can put it on, using lots and lots of reward

Pulling and Recall

We have a whole area of the forum dedicated to recall and walking nicely on leash. I'd just add, it helps you if you look at the work you put into this as a training exercise as opposed to trying to go for a walk. Not having the idea of actually going somewhere takes the pressure off you.


Treats and the other dog

Animals are hard wired not to share. In the wild, it could be the difference between survival and death. So never give the two treats together.

Do, however, by hyper-aware that this could transfer to your child so be very vigilant. If your child is eating, I'd suggest simultaneously feeding your dog but separated by a baby gate.

This is NOT a step to ensuring a safer and happier relationship.

If you were in a restaurant enjoying a favourite meal, and someone came and snatched your fork out of your mouth and took away your food, how do you think you would feel? If they did it repeatedly, you would (a) start to get more nervous that your food was at risk; (b) start to get more possessive and guard it harder; and (c) get creative with your cutlery - your dog doesn't use cutlery so she might use her teeth.

It's not a bad idea to teach a 'drop it' in case she gets something she shouldn't but if you have to ask her to give something, always have something better as a swap.

Picking her up

Pretend she is a Great Dane. Honestly, bear with me.

We pick up small dogs because it's convenient for us but like in the analogy I gave about food, how do you think you would feel if you were dozing in a comfortable chair and someone suddenly and unexpectedly threw you off it? You wouldn't be able to just lift up a Great Dane, so treat your dog in the same way. Instead of lifting her, lure her off using a treat and at the same time giving her a verbal cue like ”move off”. Once she understands, you can use the cue and treat her as a reward for complying.

That said, there may be times you need to lift her, for example on to the vet's table - so train her to accept being lifted.

First, do it when she is awake, not dozing in the sun. Then, tell her so it isn't a surprise. Say something like ”lift up” and use one hand under her chest and the other supporting her hind feet. Immediately reward, using your third hand (sorry :rolleyes:) and put her down. Repeat regularly.
Thank you so much for this amazing and detailed info! I've shared it with my wifenas well so we can both be kn the same page.

I think our biggest challenge right now is our dog's relationship with the other do. It's gotten toa point where we can't keep them together at all as the attacks have become daily and it's tough to even pinpoint the reasons as to why anymore.

What I started doing is leashing both dogs and giving them treats at the same time so they start to associate eachother with good things. I hear this is how classical conditioning works so hopefully we are doing it right and can see some results in the future.

I'm also starting from scratch with obedience training as I've heard this can help with this kind of stuff.

We are also trying to hire a trainer to come out to our home so hopefully that gives us some help.
You need to have them far enough apart while you are conditioning them - otherwise you run the risk of creating a negative association (oh no, its the treats; I'm going to have to be close to that other dog).

Do you have a garden with enough space to do that?

If not, you could do it on a walk with two people, and the dogs spaced several meters apart. Over the course of the walk, move closer by 30cm and reward, then open up the space again. Repeat and repeat.
That's a good point. At the moment we've been doing it inside the house. Our hallway is pretty wide but they are still only 6 feet or so apart.

I have some questions so I know I am doing this right:

How do you give both dogs a treat at the same time or does that not matter? I'm asking because obviously my arms are only so long!

Sometimes the other dog stops eating because she is scared of my dog. Do I continue with just feeding my dog?

What happens when my dog snarls at the other dog?

Should I only be giving treats when my dog looks at other dog?
I'm asking because obviously my arms are only so long!
I don't think the timing is crucial, but the distance is - ideally, you want them further apart so that's going to need two people. If you can't have two people around, keep the dogs in separate rooms.
Sometimes the other dog stops eating because she is scared of my dog. Do I continue with just feeding my dog?
No, you are right that eating stops when fear takes over, so separate them into different places. This is a sign you are doing it with them too close, so take it outside like I mentioned before.

What happens when my dog snarls at the other dog?
That's another sign they are too close, like I said create more space.

Should I only be giving treats when my dog looks at other dog?
The goal is that they are aware of each other but not reacting so no, you can treat when they aren't looking at each other - that's fine.
I don't think the timing is crucial, but the distance is - ideally, you want them further apart so that's going to need two people. If you can't have two people around, keep the dogs in separate rooms.

No, you are right that eating stops when fear takes over, so separate them into different places. This is a sign you are doing it with them too close, so take it outside like I mentioned before.


That's another sign they are too close, like I said create more space.


The goal is that they are aware of each other but not reacting so no, you can treat when they aren't looking at each other - that's fine.
This is great info! Will definitely incorporate this into our next session of training. I'm thinking we can probably do this 2-3 times a day for 10-15 minutes or so.
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If you can't create physical distance, you might find it helps if you can use furniture or your own body to create a visual barrier and a sense of where the edge of the dog's space is for that activity. I sometimes feed them on either side of the kitchen recycling bin to break their sight lines. I tend to stand between my two dogs when they are getting high value treats. If one dog moves towards the other, I block him with my knee, tell him No, and shove him back to where he belongs.
We are also trying to hire a trainer to come out to our home so hopefully that gives us some help.
Just another thought - do make sure your trainer uses up to date methods. Some trainers still use old dominance theories, which have been thoroughly debunked and disproven.

If they talk about pack leadership, alpha roles, or dominance, don't engage them - your dogs' relationship is based on insecurity and these techniques will make things worse, not better. If you would like us to check any trainer's website for red flags then please do shout out.
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