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Greetings All! I found this site as I was looking for tips on raising a recently adopted blind/deaf puppy, who is about 14 weeks old. I'm an experienced dog owner/lover, but this is a big challenge! She's an absolute sweetie, but she is going thru typical puppy behavior. Crate training and house breaking are going fairly well, but jumping, biting, and general puppy wildness are hard to manage. We don't know her breeds, but we've heard Great Dane, Lab, and others, so she will be big. I'll upload a photo soon. Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading, learning and hopefully having tips of my own to offer!
 

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Greetings All! I found this site as I was looking for tips on raising a recently adopted blind/deaf puppy, who is about 14 weeks old. I'm an experienced dog owner/lover, but this is a big challenge! She's an absolute sweetie, but she is going thru typical puppy behavior. Crate training and house breaking are going fairly well, but jumping, biting, and general puppy wildness are hard to manage. We don't know her breeds, but we've heard Great Dane, Lab, and others, so she will be big. I'll upload a photo soon. Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading, learning and hopefully having tips of my own to offer!
Wow, that's quite a project you've taken on. I'm barely experienced with dogs with no physical issues, so what I'd do is consider using the senses she does have to train. I would think stinky food treats, and gentle touches would be the way to train. I'm not recommending this is as an aversive, but perhaps in a situation such as this, a collar that only gently vibrated might be appropriate, perhaps used as a cue to 'come'? I understand also that blind dogs/people can feel vibrations through floors, so stomping might be a tool to use as well. I think a blind and deaf dog might be very attuned to subtle environmental cues, such as movement of air, and that might be useful - would waving your hand or arm be a 'communcation'?

I'm thinking of Helen Keller who was blind and deaf, and when her teacher Anne Sullivan met her, Helen had absolutely no limits on her behavior. I read the book years ago, but it was an excellent book and Anne was very creative in teaching Helen proper behavior, and to read and communicate. I do remember that touch was a huge part of how Helen learned.

I certainly hope others can offer hints, and that you'll keep us updated on the methods you use.
 

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Hi Dia: Thanks for your reply. You're right about feeling the walking through the floor. She seems to know when I walk out of the room, because she cries. When I come back in she stops. It will be an interesting journey!
 

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I met a lady that adopted a blind/deaf collie pup. I was amazed at her courage and wanted to learn more. I found quite a bit of useful info when I googled "raising a blind and deaf puppy." Maybe that's how you got to this forum.

Anywho, there is great info to be found. All the best to you and your new pup. I imagine the bond will be quite strong. Enjoy!
 

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A vibrating collar at the very least is a must. Can use that as your marker/clicker. With touch/smell cues.

Get the dog taught to track you.
 

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For some dogs, the vibration collar is an aversive. Touch is safer. Once a fear is implanted (vibration collar) it's there and not going away.
Touch is perhaps safer, but not possible at a distance, at least not in any way I can figure out. With proper introduction I think a vibration setting could be a great tool for training a blind/deaf dog because it can be used at a distance. Proper introduction is the key IMO.
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I've never owned or trained a blind and deaf dog. That said, I'd think that distance is something you'd control with a lead. Trying to imagine the scenario that would require a dog, with these disabilities, being outside without a lead on and can't, except in a fenced yard. In a yard or inside, it would be easy enough for the owner to have a touch cue they could train to mean "come along".
 

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Well yeah, I'm not advising that you go off leash hiking with a blind/deaf dog or anything of the sort :p Even though we all do our best to keep our dogs appropriately confined there's still the possibility that something will happen (someone leaves the gate open, dog pulls leash out of owner's hand, etc), so that's why recall is the most important thing folks can teach their dogs. Teaching them that vibration= good, and that if they follow Mom's scent and find her when the vibration happens then they get hot dogs that can be huge.

I don't see why there would be anything wrong with using vibration to train/cue a dog except that a few dogs (generally those who haven't been properly introduced I would say) would be put off by the action itself, and the fact that it is often (but now always) used in conjunction with electric shock. I've also heard of dogs being scared of the sound of a clicker, but they've still wonderful tools to use on a number of dogs.
 

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For some dogs, the vibration collar is an aversive. Touch is safer. Once a fear is implanted (vibration collar) it's there and not going away.
A vibration collar is not an aversive simply by virtue of it stimulating a physical response. Please educate yourself.

It depends how you condition the mark.

A clicker can also be an aversive if you hit the dog after every click..

So essentially you would condition the collar to be +p.

Every time you vibrate the dog gets high value reward. Over and over and over. You need a very low vib. To let dog know he is right.

In start you don't train anything with it. You stim. The dog then treat. You just condition the marker.

Eventually you will shape behaviours... Now the cues can neither be voice or vision. So they will have to be physical. Smell can also be used creatively.
 

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For some dogs, the vibration collar is an aversive. Touch is safer. Once a fear is implanted (vibration collar) it's there and not going away.
True, and I really hesitated to suggest it, but if one isn't close to the dog and needs/wants their attention, there aren't a lot of options with a dog that is both blind and deaf. Although, perhaps for a dog who is blind/deaf, there is no need for recall if the dog simply stays by the owner because it's safer. :) For a change, I agree with @WesS that properly introduced as a positive, and used at a very low setting, the collar might be useful in this situation.
 
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