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So I am seeking advice on an event that happened yesterday. we were at a fourth of july barbeque and our friends dog bit a girl on the leg, and they tied her up to a post, and then later on my husband was playing Frisbee and the dog bit his leg so hard we had to go to the ER.

Background on the dog is: she doesnt seem to really be interested in other people besides her owners. she has nipped at me a couple times, and our 1 yr old and also gotten really aggressive with our dog, but never any serious bites. but I am already pretty cautious around her, especially when im with my son. she is a nakita husky mix and almost 6 yrs old i think. When she bit the girl, they had been playing with these little fireworks and i think she got scared, but she didnt bark or growel ot anything, she just ran up to her and nippeed her like 3 times and then finally got her mouth open big enough and took a big bite, made her bleed. I told my friend and he told his dog calmly not to do that and then got her leash and tied it to the gutter at the corner of the backyard. I could tell everyone was a little miffed about it, but our friends didnt really seem to be that worried. Then later on when our friend was tossing frisbee ith my husband, HE threw it to my husband who was next to his dog and she just ran up to the end of her leash and sunk her teeth into his calf. they went deep into his muscle, and he really had to twist and move to get her off. He was so mad. he went over to the dog and yelled, what the hell? and then showed our friends the bad bite and told them they needed to do something about that dog. they did NOTHING. said sorry.. husband said, 'you need to punish her or spank her or something man, thats not okay" friend said I don't believe in hitting my dog man. Semmed pretty sorry but just went along playing frisbee with other people.. we left shortly after that becasue the bite was bleeding terribly. we took him to the er, and immediately realized that we were going to have to either lie or give them all the info on our friends dog, or lie so they wouldn't take her away from them. We lied. said it was a random dog, which sucked because that meant painful shots to make sure my husband wouldn't get rabies and things.. but my question is this, What do we do now? my husband is beyond upset, not because of the bite necessarily, but more because our friends seem to not really care. what if that was our son? your dog has nipped us before and scared me a couple times. Why are you bringing your dog who obviously doesn't like people to a barbeque? why aren't you disciplining her? what can I ask of them to do? just say we wont be around your dog anymore until we feel like its safe. Now I KNOW myself, and I know that even if I was around her im going to be freaked out and not feel comfortable and I know they can sense that. HELP
 

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I'm sorry to hear that happened. Realisticaly I think your friend needs to keep his dog away from people when the come over. You are right in your question that he shouldn't be bringing the dog to functions like that especially if she has a history of nipping and biting. Its irisposible, your friend needs to realize he owns a dog that seems to be somewhat people aggressive and he is responsible for anything that happens and not taking the proper precautions can lead to something worse to happen. Especially when there are kids around, and kids aren't always the best at understanding to stay away from the dog and their running around and yelling (while playing) can rile up your friends dog. I don't know what the laws are in your area but your friend also needs to keep in mind that his dog can be put to sleep for bitting (each state may have different stipulations for severity and minimum number of bites before its the end of the line).
As for the displining part, yelling, slapping ect. isn't going to fix anything and can escalate the situation. Your friend needs to do some serious (positive reinforcement) training (I would suggest working with a certified trainer or behaviorist) with his dog and learn to be more responsible owning a dog that has bitten. I don't know the exact circomstances of the incident, or weather it was something environmental, medical or nuroligical that made her bite, but if you feel nervous for your safety and your husbands and childs, then I would say something to your friend.
Was this the first time she has ever bitten someone?
 

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First of all, while it is horrible that the dog bit you, telling an owner they should hit their dog is not okay. Violence doesn't teach dogs anything except that they were justified in biting you because people hurt them.

That being said, this dog should be reported. like @Lucille said, this time it's an adult's leg, but next time it could be a child's throat. This dog is too dangerous to be in the hands of people who don't know how to control it. I don't know everything about the situation, but this sounds like the type of dog that would probably be better off being euthanized before hurting anyone else. IMO making a dog live in solitude or, god forbid, pulling it's canines is far more cruel than making the decision to euthanize. Most "justified" bites are just a single bite because of circumstance, not what you described with the little girl, what you described is a ticking time bomb. If you don't report this, the dog is going to hurt someone else.
 

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Unfortunately, what's done is done. If you were the dog owner I would have a whole bunch of suggestions but for you, the friend, I would ask the friends to help pay for the medical bills, maybe show them the gravity of the situation, and then avoid the dog like the plaque. If the owners are not responsible enough to keep their dog away when friends are over I would probably reconsider going over there.
 
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I don't know if I wrote it clearly. But the dog bit 2 people at the barbecue. One was a lady in her twenties that was plying with popping fireworks. After that they tied it up to a gutter and then when my husband got too close she hit my husband about twice as bad as the lady: they both drew skin and blood by my husbands was much worse
 

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I'm going to second asking your friends to pay for the ER bills. At the very least that's what they should do since it was there dog that bit you.

They did right to not discipline the dog as your husband suggested. As was mentioned, it really does not do anything other then teaching the dog that people are bad and it's right to want to drive them away. It needs to be taught that people are something that cause good things, and only good things, to happen. Until it learns that then it needs to be managed so that it NEVER has the chance to bite someone again. That would include being confined to a leash, and probably a basket muzzle, when it is around people. If the owners cannot do that then probably the safest option would be to euthanize the dog before it can cause serious injury, or death.

I'm sorry that your husband was so severely bitten and that y'all went through all of the pain and heartache. I sincerely hope that your friends take their dogs behavior seriously, and start working to fix it.
 

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I'm sorry to hear that happened. Realisticaly I think your friend needs to keep his dog away from people when the come over. You are right in your question that he shouldn't be bringing the dog to functions like that especially if she has a history of nipping and biting. Its irisposible, your friend needs to realize he owns a dog that seems to be somewhat people aggressive and he is responsible for anything that happens and not taking the proper precautions can lead to something worse to happen. Especially when there are kids around, and kids aren't always the best at understanding to stay away from the dog and their running around and yelling (while playing) can rile up your friends dog. I don't know what the laws are in your area but your friend also needs to keep in mind that his dog can be put to sleep for bitting (each state may have different stipulations for severity and minimum number of bites before its the end of the line).
As for the displining part, yelling, slapping ect. isn't going to fix anything and can escalate the situation. Your friend needs to do some serious (positive reinforcement) training (I would suggest working with a certified trainer or behaviorist) with his dog and learn to be more responsible owning a dog that has bitten. I don't know the exact circomstances of the incident, or weather it was something environmental, medical or nuroligical that made her bite, but if you feel nervous for your safety and your husbands and childs, then I would say something to your friend.
Was this the first time she has ever bitten someone?

I have never used this forum before so I don't know if I replied to you, but the dog actually bit another woman before she bit my husband. So she but 2 people. I'm not exactly sure if she has ever bitten anyone so bad before this incident . But looking back I realize we maybe should have reported her. But being a dog owner myself, I fealt mercy for the dog and didn't want it to get euthanized or taken from my friends
 

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I'm sorry your husband was hurt. You really do need to report this, and tell your friend you are doing so. Because like you said, next time it could be a child, or even if it's another adult it shouldn't happen. Also, like someone else said (just for future reference) hitting a dog, especially one like this, would not only not help, but the dog would probably take that as another attack and retaliate...hard. Also when a dog is tied up they are more likely to attack because they feel vulnerable and unable to get away. That and any fireworks definitely exacerbated the situation.

Unfortunately your friend sounds like a very irresponsible dog owner, and he is allowing his dog to hurt others. This is a dog that should not be taken to ANY public functions, and probably muzzled when on a walk in public. I want to say they should consult a trainer, but if the owner has a track record of not containing his dog properly or keeping her from hurting others, a trainer won't help. The problem isn't the dog, it is the human. So while I'm sure it might cause some serious problems, I think it would be best if this dog was taken away and given proper training by someone who knows what they're doing, or even euthanized. Because right now the dog is a definite danger to the public.
 

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Besides this dog remaining a future danger to others, lying about this incident may have negative consequences for your bitten husband. If the owners of the dog were not responsible enough to care about their dog biting others, one could surmise that they may not step up and agree to financial responsibility either. While your husband may have health insurance, there are going to be deductibles and other costs associated with the bite. And since you said the incident happened on the 4th, the bite wound has not had a chance to fully heal and there is still the possibility of infection.
Should you try to sue for recovery of your financial outlays, his attorney will most certainly bring up your lying in an effort to evade judgment.
 

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I would never allow my family around that dog again. It should have been reported for the safety of everyone. I personally wouldn't remain friends with someone that was that irresponsible and cared so little about others.
 

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I have never used this forum before so I don't know if I replied to you, but the dog actually bit another woman before she bit my husband. So she but 2 people. I'm not exactly sure if she has ever bitten anyone so bad before this incident . But looking back I realize we maybe should have reported her. But being a dog owner myself, I fealt mercy for the dog and didn't want it to get euthanized or taken from my friends[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, unless one of those things happen, I think the dog is just going to keep hurting people. If the owners were dedicated to training and managing it, maybe there would be hope, but they don't sound very responsible, or even caring, at all.

http://www.dogtalk.com/BiteAssessmentScalesDunbarDTMRoss.pdf
 

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he bit two people, one of which got too close to a restrained reactive dog, we dont know the full context, we dont know the dogs background, we dont know the owner, we dont know anything about op's relationship with this friend and we don't even know if the dog was scared due to fireworks, raising pitchforks and demanding euthanasia and burning bridges with so little information is a bit excessive.


theres not much you can do to help the dog in your position, you can only talk to the owner and get him to pay the medical bills, as many have said here his lack of reaction is not necessarily because he did not care, but because hitting him would make things worse, restraining the dog was about as much as he could do in the heat of the moment.
 

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he bit two people, one of which got too close to a restrained reactive dog, we dont know the full context, we dont know the dogs background, we dont know the owner, we dont know anything about op's relationship with this friend and we don't even know if the dog was scared due to fireworks, raising pitchforks and demanding euthanasia and burning bridges with so little information is a bit excessive.


theres not much you can do to help the dog in your position, you can only talk to the owner and get him to pay the medical bills, as many have said here his lack of reaction is not necessarily because he did not care, but because hitting him would make things worse, restraining the dog was about as much as he could do in the heat of the moment.

The dog did more than bite two people, he had nipped at the OP previously. It is not an innocent bystander's duty to know how close to a dog they can get. And after the first bite (actually the 4th, the dog nipped at the girl 3 times before the serious bite) the dog should have been taken home, completely removed from the situation and away from the opportunity to bite again.
Making vague excuses for this biting dog and clueless owner is not doing anyone a favor.
 

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The dog did more than bite two people, he had nipped at the OP previously. It is not an innocent bystander's duty to know how close to a dog they can get. And after the first bite (actually the 4th, the dog nipped at the girl 3 times before the serious bite) the dog should have been taken home, completely removed from the situation and away from the opportunity to bite again.
Making vague excuses for this biting dog and clueless owner is not doing anyone a favor.
I agree. Maybe a muzzle would prevent the biting but, if the dog isn't socialised, it should not be allowed in public and puting others at risk.
 

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The dog did more than bite two people, he had nipped at the OP previously. It is not an innocent bystander's duty to know how close to a dog they can get. And after the first bite (actually the 4th, the dog nipped at the girl 3 times before the serious bite) the dog should have been taken home, completely removed from the situation and away from the opportunity to bite again.
Making vague excuses for this biting dog and clueless owner is not doing anyone a favor.
i'm not making excuses as much as giving him the benefit of the doubt, we're working with very limited information here, let's assume for minute that the owner is not a moron, why would he bring a dog with a history of aggression to a party with so many people and pets? (or let her loose if it was in his own house) why did he take so long to take action?, maybe she never showed signs of aggression before this whole event, i'm interested in his side of the story.
 

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This is a topic which can escalate quickly so I just wanted to remind everyone to refer to the rules of the forum, specifically:

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What doubt? She bit, not just once, but several times. That is not behaviour that can be tolerated or excused.
i'm not here to pass a verdict, this is a forum to discuss dog behavior not the criminal justice system. i'm more interested in the events that lead to this issue and how to prevent it rather than finding the most suitable punishment for the guy.
 
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