[spots]

so we have had a 10 week old jack russell for a week
we have a create in the lounge he doesn't have many accidents inside we take him to the garden every 30 min to an hour i am a sahm so there is always someone here
he has learnt to sit as we make him sit before his food 3 times a day
he has been sick twice i think either overfeeding or eating something out the garden ?
he goes in his create when i am breastfeeding or doing housework ect the rest of the time he is free to roam
he is in his create at night but wakes up whining so my husband comes down cleans the poo (he only goes once in the night and then stays down with him still in the create we have a bed sofa so husband stays in the lounge and the puppy is then quite
should we have a create upstairs then he would be quite and it would be easier at night or should we continue what we are doing its only been a week
he is our first dog so i have no idea if we are doing this right or not any advice please

thank you

 

[denver215]

By sick do you mean just threw up? My jack russell puppy (15 weeks old) eats everything and has thrown up a few times. I don't think you should be worried.
How much are you feeding him? Does he drink a lot of water very fast and all at once?

Is he pooping in his crate at night or just whining to go outside?

 

[spots]

thank you yes it was just vomit but he has been fine today
he still poos in his crate at night we remove it and he goes back to sleep but only if my husband stays downstairs with him i am hoping he will grow out of it ?

 

[DriveDog]

I'd be inclined to taking the pup outside before he craps in his crate. It might be a bit of an inconvenience but the sooner the pup understands where he takes care of his business, the better.

 

[denver215]

What time is he fed last and what time is he put into his crate? Make sure he poos before bed and make a cut off time for food so accidents like that don't happen.

 

[TWadeJ]

If your puppy is crapping in its crate you are not doing your job. Take it out regularly. Common sense people!

 

[spots]

we feed him at 6pm take him out at 9.30 pm then he goes to bed

twadej thanks for nothing cant stay up all night to take him out regular i am afraid

 

[TWadeJ]

we feed him at 6pm take him out at 9.30 pm then he goes to bed

twadej thanks for nothing cant stay up all night to take him out regular i am afraid

If you can't wake up to take your dependent puppy outside to relieve itself you have NO business owning a dog.

 

[denver215]

we feed him at 6pm take him out at 9.30 pm then he goes to bed

twadej thanks for nothing cant stay up all night to take him out regular i am afraid

Around what time does he poop in his crate at night?

 

[LuvMyFluff]

Some 10 week old puppies still need to be taken out and pottied in the middle of the night....being a Mom you must remember the first few months of waking up in the middle of the night for your human babies to feed them and change their diaper....well puppies are no different except for you don't need to feed them and they don't wear a diaper...they go outside! If you get him out and potty him you won't have a crate to clean in the middle of the night either!

 

[Moonstream]

If you leave the dog in the crate until he can no longer hold it and he poops in the crate, eventually you're going to un-do the usefulness of the crate.

The whole point of a crate is that dogs will not go in their 'den'. For house training, the crate is meant to be small enough that the dog can't go on one side and sleep on the other.

If a 10 week old puppy goes to sleep fine and then wakes up crying in the night, it is very, very often because they have to go to the bathroom. What I'd suggest is waking up when he cries, take him very calmly out of the crate and carry him outside. If he isn't crying until well after he's pooped, try to figure out when he's pooping and bring him out before he does. If he poops when you bring him out, praise him like you would normally. During the day, I suggest using treats and a toy and making it really FUN after he goes. At night I just suggest praise. If he doesn't poop after 15-20 minutes, put him back in. I would probably just go to bed again and wake up at the normal time. Eventually, he'll learn that he needs to go when you bring him out, and he'll learn that crying is the way he gets to go out. This makes it MUCH easier to figure out he has to go out when he isn't in his crate.

 

[Aspen726]

All:

Please remember the forum rules when posting, specifically, be nice, be civil or don't post at all. If you do not have anything of value (only snark) to add, don't post. We have been having to post this reminder far too often.

OP:

First, you want to rule out any medical conditions with your vet. I don't think that's what is happening here but it's always best to rule that out.

Second, a 10 week old pup cannot make it through the night. When my dog was a puppy, I set an alarm throughout the night to let her out. It makes for a rough couple of months, but it really does speed up the housebreaking. She had very minimal accidents. I know how exhausting it is- I work full time, go to school full time and have 3 kids. I totally get it. It is best for long term results though.

Maybe you're not in a place to have a puppy right now. That's okay! Maybe the best solution for you is to rehome (not via Craigslist) this puppy and adopt a dog that's 1-2 years old and has some training done.

Only you know the best solution for your lifestyle but leaving the puppy in his crate all night is teaching really bad habits and isn't really fair to him.

Bets of luck!

 

[TankNintendo]

Yeah 10 weeks is fairly young to hold it. It's getting easier at that point, but they're not gonna make it through 8 whole hours without having to go. My puppy is 13 weeks old and still needs to go at least once at about 1am or 2am. He's pooped in the crate once, but I think he realized that it's icky and he doesn't like it, so he hasn't done it since. My older dog is 8 months old and is a champ at holding it. It'll be a good month or two before your dog is able to hold it for a whole 6 to 8 hour period. It's only temporary. So just deal with it for now and before long you'll have a fully potty trained puppy!

 

[spots]

hi thank you
spots was on a week trial and we decided to give him back to the people we got him off
when we dropped him off we asked them what they do at night and they said they just turn up a radio so they can not here the dogs barking ect they bread dogs but there lounge had quite a lot of poop and wee everywhere idk we are struggling and miss him especially the kids and me but he has been sold now to someone else
we wold like to get another puppy we are moving house soon so will be in a few months and we are going to prepare more
we have spoken with a trainer and a vet to ask if we would be able to have the puppy in a kennel outside at night and bring him in ,in the day they seem to think this will be fine if its cold winter it would be in an outdoor builder insulated with a space for the pup to do him business
what do people think ? what bread should we get has to be small like beagle/jack Russell ect
pup would be about 12 weeks old

thank you for any advice :thumbsup:

 

[Turtle11]

Hmm...I'm not a fan of keeping the new puppy outside alone all night. Dogs want to be with their people, and to keep it alone all night, and especially a puppy so young, is a bit mean.

Is there anyone in your family who sleeps late and someone else who wakes up early? The last person sleeping could take your pup out for a potty, and the next morning, the first person awake could do the duty too.

If the nighttime puppy potty schedule does not work for you and your family, I'd strongly suggest your family get a dog that is about 8 months old and up. There are so many great shelter dogs, and your first breeder sounds a bit sketchy anyways. Anyways, by adopting a slightly older dog, you have a good idea your dog will be able to hold it through the night, at least 8 hrs.

 

[spots]

thank you turtle i didnt even consider an older dog
do you think a 8 month old dog would bond with us and the kids ok ? x

 

[spots]

the first breeder is only in it for the money tbh

 

[PoppyKenna]

Older dogs can absolutely bond with you. My parents brought home a 2 year old and 1 year old dog and they are so bonded and loving towards us, it's wonderful.

Honestly, I would look into young adult dogs from rescues that are in foster homes already. The people fostering will be able to tell you if they are house trained, what their temperament is like, etc.

 

[Moonstream]

Yes, an older dog will still bond to you. Depending on the age and prior experience, it may take a little longer to do so than a very young puppy, but IME dogs in shelters/rescue really do tend to be looking for someone to bond with, just as much if not more than a puppy from a breeder.

When I was fifteen we adopted a 9-10 month old mutt from a rescue; she has gone on to become one of my favorite dogs I've ever known and is 100% dedicated to our family.

I'm attending a university right now that breeds dogs for service work, keep them in their kennel until 4 months (with consistent socialization and training from students, staff, and volunteers), then usually places them in puppy homes until around 8 months, and from 8 months to 2-3 years they are placed in foster/board and train situations with students for 4 month periods. The new students got dogs placed with them for 2 weeks for mock client training and we get different dogs for 4 months starting on Tuesday. Literally every dog (~35 dogs in all) has bonded with the student it is living with to the point that they would rather be with "their" student than be held by one of the kennel staff that they have known for their entire lives (and DO like, they get excited to see them, they just would rather be with "their" student). You can also tell what dogs have lived with who (ie, returning students, puppy raisers that are also staff/volunteers) in the past, because they get more excited to see those people than they do to see others.

Dogs are versatile and are constantly seeking dyadic (paired) personal relationships. Some dogs may seem wary when first brought home, but I have never met a rescue dog that did not bond normally with their new family. If anything, IMO they tend to be more prone to bonding too closely and have issues being left alone for long stretches, especially those that have been bounced from home to home a lot prior to settling into yours.

Personally I am not a fan of the idea of leaving a puppy outside alone at night. For one, the puppy is still going to cry/wail/howl/bark, it will just be outside. It may even do so more because it is truly alone out there, and not just 10' away from you instead of touching you like it wants to be. If you have neighbors, they're almost definitely going to complain. If you live in a very isolated area and since you're looking at smaller dogs, IMO the worry of predators has to come up, especially if you live somewhere with Coyotes.

No, it isn't 100% absolutely wrong in the sense that it is abuse to have a dog that sleeps outside, but really most dogs would prefer to be sleeping in your house, especially if they do not have a doggy friend outside. The breeds that are suited to living outside are not small and are generally not good family/pet dogs- they are things like working bred livestock guardians that guard livestock from large predators.

 

[Turtle11]

thank you turtle i didnt even consider an older dog
do you think a 8 month old dog would bond with us and the kids ok ? x

For sure! It can take anywhere between a day to a few months for a puppy/ dog to settle into a new environment. But with an established routine at the beginning (wake up, walk, eat, nap, play, etc), the dogs knows what to expect and it gets easier and quicker for any new dog to feel comfortable and safe with your family. Bonding will be a part of the dog feeling comfortable and safe

And as a side note, I've seen dogs that were adopted at 10 years old and older, and become velcro dogs to their new owners (velcro dogs meaning dogs that stick to their owner like velcro, lol!).