[GirlofIntegrity]

I am a new owner of 2 beautiful registered puppies. The issue is the breeder of my female never disclosed the registration was limited. Being new to the process, I never looked at the paperwork when purchased the puppy last week. I need to know how I can legally register as full with the code since the breeder refuses to grant full registration. When asked he says he sells pets only and won't due to "trouble" in the past and won't say what that is. If it is legitimate - like accidental imbreeding - I get it - only he won't respond. He didn't disclose the limited registration and lied about the health guarantee. I also found the place to be housing puppies in small stalls in a barn where either they couldn't move a lot, or had too many puppies in the stalls - this I am planning on reporting for investigation of humane practice tomorrow. Please understand I need to know what I can do for my registration and if I can anonymously post without his name a warning on hoobly so no one else is taken advantage of - just give enough info for people to figure it out and know what to be sure to do prior to purchases so no one else is taken advantage of. Thanks

 

[Shandula]

I'm on my phone, so I will post more in depth when I get home, but to my knowledge a "limited" registration means you can register your dog as purebred, but cannot breed them and sell the puppies with papers. My Aussie and BC both have "limited" registrations.

 

[animalcraker]

Is there a reason why you want full registration vs. the limited registration?

 

[GirlofIntegrity]

Yes - our full intention was to breed ---- never wanted just for a pet, wanted to ability to have at least a couple litters

 

[Shandula]

Well, it is the breeder's right to give whatever registration he wishes, did you sign a contract of any description?
I have to ask, if you've seen the kennels and they live in horrible conditions, and he doesn't stand behind his health guarantee, why on Earth would you want to breed puppies you've received from him? It sounds like they are kept in horrible conditions with minimal care.

 

[Aspen726]

Many breeders won't allow buyers to breed. It's a way to preserve their lines. They don't want their dogs ending up in the hands of BYB and being bred irresponsibly. Personally, if I were a breeder, I absolutely would NOT allow anyone to breed my pups unless I knew them well.

If you want to breed, perhaps this breeder will take the dogs back and you can buy from a breeder who will allow you to breed the pups.

IMHO, since you're new to the process, maybe you need to learn a little more about it before starting a breeding program yourself.

If the living conditions were so terrible, why did you purchase from him? If he lied about the health certs, how do you know these dogs are fit to be bred? What breed are these dogs?

 

[Aspen726]

@Shandula we're on the same page here haha

 

[SusanLynn]

Since you're interested in breeding, I think that you might find this thread helpful:

http://www.dogforum.com/new-additions/bybs-puppymills-petstores-reputable-breeders-88226/

I might suggest that you invest more time into learning about all that goes into reputable breeding before you launch your own business.

 

[kmes]

Honestly sounds like these pups may not be good candidates for breeding if wanting to do so responsibly, even if you did somehow get the breeder to change to full registrations... Might just be a "lesson learned" type situation.

If interested in breeding what you probably should do is go to shows (conformation, performance events, etc) and meet some breeders of your chosen breed. Train and participate/compete in something with your current dogs. Make friends with others involved in showing and competing with your breed. Learn about the heath testing done for your breed (far more than a vet check). Eventually you'll have the chance to buy a pup from a breeder with lines you like and can likely be mentored by that breeder in showing and breeding.
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[jclark343]

Doesn't know like a knowledgeable to good breeder. Also doesn't sound like a line you should be continuing.

Did you discuss your intent to breed when you purchased the puppy? If so, the registration should have been discussed then.

In regards to breeding (although I am sure you don't want to hear it)
How can breeding your dogs benefit the breed? Do they have titles in anything? Are they working dogs doing work that their puppies would continue to do? Do they have OFAs for all the necessary for the breed (Hips, elbows, eyes, etc)? What are your intentions in breeding? Most breeders will say that, if done right, there isn't any money to be made in breeding. I highly recommend you do a lot of research into what goes into breeding and really think about why you want to breed. There are not many people who are just purchasing puppies who are suited (and who's dogs are suited) for breeding.

Also please look into litter mate syndrome. Even though they are not litter mates, if they are close in age they can be effected.

 

[animalcraker]

Unfortunately, if the breeder sold the dog to you on limited registration and they refuse to change it, then there is nothing you can do. Did you discuss your intention of breeding when you contacted the breeder prior to investing money for one of their pups? Is there a breeding or spay clause in your contract you signed when you purchased your pup?

Just to clarify; Are your pups from different breeders? Do they have any related dogs in their 7 generation pedigree? What breed are they and how old? You mention only having them for a week, how do you know they are of a quality worth breeding? What qualities do they have to improve or preserve the breed? Where are their weak points? And most importantly why do you want to be a breeder?