[Anthonxy]

Anyone have any idea what this dog could have in him? Almost looks fox-like in person. Was adopted after he was found wild. He was much darker as a puppy. 3 years old. First two are as a puppy, second two are 2-3 years old. Male. Hes changed alot. Fully grown weight 33 lbs. Very fast. Energetic when outside but sleeps most of the day. Extremely anger and protective, has bit humans and other dogs/cats. Will not eat dog food no matter what. Any help is much appreciated!

 

[Lauren5159]

He definitely looks like a chow mix... Could be chow x belgian shep or something along those lines....

Chows can be very head strong and hard to handle when not trained properly too...

But that's just a guess

 

[Lauren5159]

I've changed my mind... I think he's Belgian Shepherd X Akita... But again, I could be wrong

 

[natenqen]

The have bit humans and other dogs/cats worries me. And I would have to agree that maybe he has bel/chow mix.

You might want to work on his behavior. I would be worried if he should kill a little dog because of his aggression. (Saw episode on Animal Planet with one of the SPCA shows where an owner had his dog off leash and it attacked and killed a small dog who was on a leash.) It was heart breaking and I know I wouldn't want to be responsible for my dog killing someone elses dog. Just FYI. Beautiful dog non the less.

 

[Lauren5159]

The have bit humans and other dogs/cats worries me. And I would have to agree that maybe he has bel/chow mix.

You might want to work on his behavior. I would be worried if he should kill a little dog because of his aggression. (Saw episode on Animal Planet with one of the SPCA shows where an owner had his dog off leash and it attacked and killed a small dog who was on a leash.) It was heart breaking and I know I wouldn't want to be responsible for my dog killing someone elses dog. Just FYI. Beautiful dog non the less.

I agree, he seems like a very unhappy dog and you definitely have to work on his behaviour...

You have to be completely no-tolerence when it comes to aggression...

You'll get yourself and this gorgeous dog into major trouble unless you address his issues...

Are you working with him on hhis aggression?

 

[FailedSlacker]

"Absolutely no tolerance" with an aggressive dog? Yikes! that is a recipe for disaster. Anthonxy, contact a professional behaviorist who does positive counter-conditioning to deal with the agression. Message board user's aren't experts, they are just people with opinions and keyboards (no matter what we think).

As for breeds, I see Tervuren mixed with some sort of spitz-type dog.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Shiba cross? or possibly Akita. Not likely chow I'd think, though I could be wrong.

 

[Lauren5159]

"Absolutely no tolerance" with an aggressive dog? Yikes! that is a recipe for disaster. Anthonxy, contact a professional behaviorist who does positive counter-conditioning to deal with the agression. Message board user's aren't experts, they are just people with opinions and keyboards (no matter what we think).

As for breeds, I see Tervuren mixed with some sort of spitz-type dog.

You totally misunderstood me...

I mean no-tolerance in the same sense as no-risk... Your dog has to realise you wont tolerate aggression otherwise it won't take you seriously... I don't like the fact that you are implying that I would hit my dogs... I've worked and lived with dogs my whole life and have never hurt one!

I only ever train in a positive manner but you don't 'train' your dog to be non-aggressive, you rehabilitate it! And in order to this your dog has to realise what it is doing is uncalled for... 'Training' doesn't work in this kind of extreme case...

 

[FailedSlacker]

Uh huh. Okay. Just how to you tell your dog that aggression won't be tolerated? I can think of two answers here that would make me believe that I misunderstood you.

Although considering how you take "Don't correct" to mean "Don't beat your dog", I highly doubt you'll get them. Though I could be wrong - these dog whistles I'm hearing could just be my tinnitus acting up.


**Edit**: Again OP (since it bears repeating) - contact a Counter conditioning focused behaviorist. This situation is too volatile to take anyone's advice on the web regarding how to treat it.

 

[pkelley]

Looks like Akita mix with maybe a type of sheperd?

 

[ruthcatrin]

Note, if he is a shiba or akita mix you'll probly want a trainer with primatives experience, they don't generally train like other dogs.

 

[Anthonxy]

Im not asking for behavior advice. His behavior is fine considering the circumstances. Any insight into whether he has many breeds or just a few? Akita seems unlucky based on his adult look, and size. He is similar to a German Shepherds body but MUCH smaller. Any ideas?

 

[Lauren5159]

Uh huh. Okay. Just how to you tell your dog that aggression won't be tolerated? I can think of two answers here that would make me believe that I misunderstood you.

Although considering how you take "Don't correct" to mean "Don't beat your dog", I highly doubt you'll get them. Though I could be wrong - these dog whistles I'm hearing could just be my tinnitus acting up.


**Edit**: Again OP (since it bears repeating) - contact a Counter conditioning focused behaviorist. This situation is too volatile to take anyone's advice on the web regarding how to treat it.

Okay, so if your dog bit someone, you'd tolerate that?

That's a very strange approach to owning a dog...

You do it the same way that my dogs know they cannot steal food from the table, or from people... By teaching them that there is no need to do so...

For example, once you have found out what kind of aggression your dog is displaying, work with it and keep it out of situations where it might get itself into trouble.... If it's fear aggression, then you need to go back to basics and start socialising the dog from scratch but only around calm, well-behaved dogs... Putting a muzzle on the dog is showing that you will not tolerate aggression... Is that cruel to you?

You need to think long and hard about what you think 'tolerate' means.

Obviously, you only have negative experience with this word onder:

 

[FailedSlacker]

Huh, I must admit I am surprised you hit one of the two appropriate response.

Very well, I publically apologies for misunderstanding you.

The reason I jumped on you is that you have been (unintentionally apparently) throwing around a lot of dog whistles for dealing with aggression in ways that will only increase it or lead to shutdown.

No, I don't think muzzles are cruel, though I also don't think that they show the dog anything. Studies have proven that they increase anxiety in dogs which does not help the situation. They are best used as a last case maintenance scenario.

 

[Lauren5159]

Im not asking for behavior advice. His behavior is fine considering the circumstances. Any insight into whether he has many breeds or just a few? Akita seems unlucky based on his adult look, and size. He is similar to a German Shepherds body but MUCH smaller. Any ideas?

Okay, you may not want behaviour advice on here, but you can't just accept that he is aggressive... That issue needs to be addressed for the dog's sake and for yours... Please seek advice from a behaviourist.

Aggressive dogs don't usually want to be aggressive... They just don't know how else to deal with certain situations...

It's not fair on him to have to live that way. Especially considering he looks like such a gorgeous dog.

 

[natenqen]

Maybe a real life wake up call is in order. OP: we know you didn't ask for advice on his behavior, but we are only trying to help you so you don't have to suffer the heartache in the near future.

You say it's okay for your dog to bite people and other pets. Those guys are probably like 'it's okay no worries.' But what happens if he bites the wrong person or person with a pet? That person could go to the police and report your dog bit them and/or killed my pet. Then the police or SPCA steps in and takes your dog away. Then you have to go to court to get your dog back and may have to pay a fine and have restrictions on your dog. Restrictions like he will have to always wear a muzzle in public, always be tied or leashed when out ect... Then if you don't do that and your dog bites someone again, that's it. THey may take your dog and put him down because of your ignorance. Sorry to be so harsh, but it needs to be said.

Again we are trying to help you for the sake of you and your beautiful dog. By ignoring his aggressive and 'anger' behavior is one aspect of neglect to your dog because as one other poster said, most dogs don't want to be angery or aggressive. Please, I hate to hear later on in the future you post on here and tell us your dog was taken and put down because of biting someone and/or killing a pet.

Again sorry to be harsh and I believe you are not a bad dog owner.

 

[Anthonxy]

He lives in an extremely rough neighborhood, and does a perfect job preventing break-ins which have happened. The only reason I made mention of his temperment was to help you guys identify his breeds. He has never bit anyone or anything that he didn't have reason for. He has never hurt anyone, and doesn't attack people who aren't intruding. Shiba Inu seems spot on, maybe half shiba quarter german shepherd quarter collie? Anyone agree?

Thanks.

 

[FailedSlacker]

German Shepherd? No. Probably one of the Belgian shepherd breeds though. I'm still thinking Tervuren (which has a bit of the collie look to them), though it could be one of the other Belgian Shepherd breeds.

 

[Anthonxy]

Failed Thank you!! You seem to have nailed it on the head. I'm 90% sure he is half Tervuren half Chow Chow! Just found some pics that look almost exactly like him, that mix. Thanks mate!

 

[FeatheredFeet]

I'd say Chow mix with who-knows-what. Loads of poorly bred Chows and Chow mixes, here in S. Cal. Almost approaching the Pit Bull problem in some shelters. Many with very iffy temperaments.

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