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Hi. I am new to this forum, So hi to everyone. I have a Miniature Pinscher she is one year old & a real little beauty. Unfortunately she has developed a skin condition where the hair is falling of around the edges of her ears & she appears to be loosing hair on her chest and spot on the top of her tail. We have had her to two Vets & have been treating it with PMP ear suspension for dogs & cats & also had her on a short course of Ketoconazole, But took her of it because of side effects it can cause. It started with little pimples on the underside of he ears that is when we took her to the vet, It has advanced into loss of hair around the edges of her ears & in the last few weeks we noticed she had hair coming of a patch on her tail & the hair seems to be thinning on her chest.We thought it might have been caused by the cold although she has not been right out in open to sleep she was sleeping in our back entrance which is fully enclosed but glassed in around the top with brick around the bottom & she was in a kennel, she sleeps beside our bed now but it has not improved the condition. I am wondering if any dog owners have had any experience with this type of condition. We have become very attached to this little one she has learned to talk & can say Hello. I love you. & yum yum when she has little treats. She has learned that I love you can get her what she wants. very intelligent little dog.
Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you
 

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Pimples on dogs that look like zits on a human paired with hair loss, itchiness, rashes, etc is a symptom of flea allergies. Has this been brought up by your vet as a possibility? Cosmo has flea allergies and anytime we would fall even a little off schedule on his flea medication and one would bite him, he breaks out into a horrible rash and begins losing fur with the "pimples" as you had mentioned. What kind of flea treatment is she on?
 

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Hi. the vet checked for all types of parasites & done a scraping from the ear & put it under the microscope there was no sign of anything like flees or ticks. But thanks for the suggestion. MinPins have very dry skin & very short hair so pretty easy to see anything like that on them, We keep her well cared for as far as flee treatment & worming goes.
 

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A skin scrape isn't what you would test fleas with. Fleas can be combed out, a scrape wouldn't detect fleas. The fleas also do not have to be visible on the body to be affecting the dog, Cosmo never has visible fleas on him but one bite and he's broken out for days.

Have you considered an allergy panel? Your pup may have an allergy to something you're feeding them, something environmental, or just plain ol fleas. Allergies are one of the most common reasons for skin issues in dogs.

What do you feed your pup and what brand of treats do you use?
 

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I understand what you are saying about flees, & yes we do comb her onto white paper to check for flees. I think you are on the right track when you talk about diet. We used to feed her a lot of chicken & veg. I have had a lot of people telling me chicken is quite often a cause of skin problems so we have changed to giving her lamb & veg. I will have to wait & see if that makes a difference.I will let you know how that works out.
 

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I understand what you are saying about flees, & yes we do comb her onto white paper to check for flees. I think you are on the right track when you talk about diet. We used to feed her a lot of chicken & veg. I have had a lot of people telling me chicken is quite often a cause of skin problems so we have changed to giving her lamb & veg. I will have to wait & see if that makes a difference.I will let you know how that works out.
Raw chicken? Cooked chicken? Chicken in the form of dog food? What's the brand?
 

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The other big thing to look at is a full thyroid panel, not just T4. My ex's purebred minpin suffered for 3 or so years and we chased vet after vet over allergy and diet.

The dog is diagnosed hypothyroid, and it can wreak havok on a dog in many different ways. Hair loss, pimples, weight gain, the list of possible symptoms is long but the dog doesn't need to have a full list of symptoms.

Let me say, the fastest way to rule out food allergy is to switch to a full prey model raw diet. You're starting out with single proteins period and removing any other possible food allergy. Monty is 100% raw fed, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
 

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Hi.Thyroid is being mentioned quite a lot so I will talk to my vet about that one.The chicken we were feeding our dog was human grade from the super market, We were cooking it up & mixing veg like carrot pumpkin beans which she liked & ate everything up.Our vet said to keep her of red meat for a while & see how she went, so we have been cooking the meat for her & mixing in veg.She is not uncomfortable & quit happy to play, occasionally she will have a scratch at her ears but not often must be a bit of itching at times.
 

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Hi.Thyroid is being mentioned quite a lot so I will talk to my vet about that one.The chicken we were feeding our dog was human grade from the super market, We were cooking it up & mixing veg like carrot pumpkin beans which she liked & ate everything up.Our vet said to keep her of red meat for a while & see how she went, so we have been cooking the meat for her & mixing in veg.She is not uncomfortable & quit happy to play, occasionally she will have a scratch at her ears but not often must be a bit of itching at times.
Would you consider the appearance of the dogs' hair loss "moth eaten"? Jagger looked like he was attacked by a pack of moths. It came on gradually but only got worse.

Which reminds me, I need to introduce Monty to a holistic vet and pull a full blood panel. Always nice to have a baseline moving forward. Should have done it before switching him to raw but oh well.
 

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The ears are the most noticeable As you can see in the pictures under my first post
her chest is evenly thinning & only other spot is a small patch on her tail about half way down the tail still hair there but I am able to see it is loosing hair. Her ears could be described as (moth eaten) but we can see a little bit of fine hair coming back around the ends of her ears, hoping it will stay because she looks a bit tatty around the ears, otherwise she is doing great, doesn't slow her down at all & she still has a great appetite, We got her some beef rib bones yesterday & she chewers on them a great deal of the time, having trouble getting her to keep them outside on the grass, But we are winning.
 

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The ears are the most noticeable As you can see in the pictures under my first post
her chest is evenly thinning & only other spot is a small patch on her tail about half way down the tail still hair there but I am able to see it is loosing hair. Her ears could be described as (moth eaten) but we can see a little bit of fine hair coming back around the ends of her ears, hoping it will stay because she looks a bit tatty around the ears, otherwise she is doing great, doesn't slow her down at all & she still has a great appetite, We got her some beef rib bones yesterday & she chewers on them a great deal of the time, having trouble getting her to keep them outside on the grass, But we are winning.

That's the way it started with Jagger. He was neutered early, well before puberty, that should have been my first clue. Patches of hair loss, he was a year old when it started. bald patches on his ears, balding of the tail, bare spots mainly on the hind quarters and chest. Unfortunately, progressed into more serious issues - repeated ear infections that would drive the poor dog insane. Prescribed Mometamax is the only ear drop that put a stop to ear infections quickly, everything else was junk. All through this he had lots of energy. I'm posting to see if anything else happens with your dog.

Over the course of 3 years. He started gaining weight, even on a strict raw diet, metabolism slowed down. Started having gut issues - I know now it's called leaky gut, comes with really bad breath. Then I believe he started having micro seizures, would just stand there and stare. When he started getting aggressive, that's when I knew he had a thyroid issue, totally out of form for him.

If it is a thyroid issue, you may be in too early a stage for a blood test to really pick it up.

It is possible that you're dealing with a chronic intolerance - allergies are rare in dogs and just like humans, allergens offer a near immediate response. We chased intolerance and allergy for 3 years (vet after vet) and the dog suffered all the while. Chronic intolerance could be environmental, or food related.
 

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If I could go back in time with Jagger...

Raw diet - strict - no grains, no treats, nothing else but rotated raw meat proteins, bone and organs. This is the fastest way to rule out chronic intolerance. If a dog is switched to a hypoallergenic kibble, they are still getting the extra possible allergens (like grains and corn) and you're not able to rule out anything. We tried kibble after kibble - and it got to the point that there were no other retail "novel proteins" to try. A friend of mine gave me a 2 month supply of wild raw Bison meat and bone. Could have found out within 2 months - instead of 3 years that it wasn't food.
Environmental is harder - but the ex had moved in with me after 2 years, totally new environment, different detergents for washing clothes etc. Everything was different. Dog just got worse. So it wasn't environmental.

You can try some plain Reactin or Claritin - make sure it's plain with no additives. Neither had any effect on the dog.

These are the ways to rule things out.

One thing that we found effective to give relief was a good tea tree shampoo, scrub, let sit for a few minutes then rinse. Then we would rinse him in epsom salts and water, let it sit for a few minutes - then rinse well. Last rinse was a plain water with a mixture of coconut oil and cocoa butter - leave it in and dry the dog as normal. The oil leaves the skin a little oily - it will absorb - but the dog is silky and the skin less dry. Apply organic coconut oil to the bare dry patches after the bath.
 

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Hi. I thought I should log in & let people know how Delta was going, We took her off chicken & all grains, That means she does not get many little treats when we are eating (no matter how much she says I love you,) we only give her little pieces of dry fish flavored dry cat food which she likes. She had lost a lot of fur on her chest, her ears were almost bald & she had lost the hair on top of her tail. We now feed her raw hormone free beef mince, Tuna, & sardines, & veg, as well as raw beef rib bones twice a week. She also has linseed oil & fish oil capsules. Now she has grown most of the hair back on her ears just the tips to go, her chest is all covered & her tail is covered again.We have been bathing he with Aloveen oatmeal shampoo & conditioner by dermcare. Makes her quite shiny she looks like a new dog much healthier now & cant stand still she is on the go all day, we are very relieved to have her back healthy & happy.
Thanks for all The advice that you all gave us it is much appreciated.
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Hi everyone! I want also to share our current experience with my minpin as we have the same issue ongoing. Ronnie has flakes on the corner of his ears which we treat since more than 6 months. We have consultations with different VETs with not very clear diagnosis. The last one is not enough blood circulation which leads to skin irritations and it is for life. We treat the spots with Chlorehexidine spray and cream for the spots. He gas bold spots on the corner of the ears and the problem is not going away. I made some researches and it looks like he has Vascullitis but these are just assumptions. We still don't know the origin of this problem. Last year he had problems with internal ears infection who were solved with antibiotics. My dog is 7 years old. Since 1 year he eats only rice with beef and vegetables ( vets recommendation) as he might be allergic to chicken and grain.Please help with some recommendations. Thank you in advance!
 

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Hi. lucyRo We had taken Delta to different vets to get a second opinion, They could give us no good reason for the hair loss & wanted to treat her with ketoconazole tablets,we did some research on the tablets & it wasn't good. Delta had the flakes on the corners of the ears & down the edges of the ears. they do have very cold ears which I think could be a lot of the trouble, we were sleeping delta in the back entrance which was covered in with glass, But now she is sleeping in our bedroom in her bed covered over with a blanket & has almost fully recovered, We live in Tasmania & it gets quite cold The only thing I can suggest would be to take him of the rice & put him on fish oil tablets & include fish in his diet, delta will eat linseed oil straight from the bottle they don,t need a lot about a tea spoon full a day. The vet diet only made it worse I don,t think they know the answer to this condition. Hope it might help with ronnie.
 

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Thank You, Angus! I also do think that the cold ears are a huge problem. Ronnie's are also cold most of the time (during the winter time) although he sleeps with us. I forgot to mention that we already stared to give him fish oil with the meals. Now we have stopped also the treats which we give him for his teeth. How long was the recovery period for Delta? When did you notice the fur growth, lack of fleeks, etc?
 

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Hi.We first had Delta to the vet ten months ago, but we first noticed the hair regrowth about six weeks ago soon after taking her of chicken & grains & starting to give her a new diet, it first started around the inside of the ears & then started to grow from the bottom of the ears towards the tips & is growing quickly now. I didn't mention that we kept her ears moist with olive oil to stop the flaking while the hair was coming back.
 

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Many thanks for all the information, Angus! I'm glad that Delta is healthy now and I hope we will have positive results soon!
 
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