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So I have decided I am going to get rid of grandmas beloved wiener dog.
I'm going to take him to the "pound" and leave him.

Let me say1. I'm not a supporter of kill shelters and NEVER have gotten rid of an animal that wasn't sick and dying!

So I personally don't take this decision lightly but unfortunately I have to take human health over, the ailment of the dog.

I know this sounds mean but I'm posting because I want to hear people's views on my current decision. I will describe the situation below and welcome anyone's perspective.

So the beloved dog is pretty old. And has gotten to the point where he is using basically anything 5" away from his bed as the toilet. While I can handle the dog attempting to use the floor as his bathroom. The problem comes in the situation where the dog is using grandma bed as his waste dump! He pees and poops in grandmas bed multiple times every night!!.

The problem is that grandma is sleeping in the bed while this is happening!
I know most people are currently thinking, what why 1. Why would I let this happen 2.more so why would grandma?

Well that's a unfortunate situation as well. Grandma has Alzheimer's and is in 100% ignorant to the fact that the dog is using her bed as his personal toilet. And that she is basically swimming in urine and fecal matter every night!
From the moment she stands up out of bed she has forgotten 100% that the dog has spiked the bed. Even standing next to the bed looking the other direction. Her ol' factory sense have stopped working so she can't smell the waste so she is denying its existence.
I have tried using diapers, she removes them.
I have tried putting the dog in different rooms during the evening as well as various other things. To keep the dog from being in her bed at night and soiling but all things failed. If put in another room grandma will stay in her bed awake until everyone else has fallen asleep and go get the dog.

And anyone who has been in a situation to interact with an Alzheimer's dementia affected person is very aware of the unfortunate effects on mood and attitude.

I know if I tell her that the wiener dog passed away she will be sad but not angry. Unfortunately I feel this is the only option to keep grandma from sleeping in waste EVERYNIGHT

I would welcome anyone's feedback or thoughts.
Although I would appreciate it if I didn't get replying saying
Try this or that. I have. I don't mean to be rude. But my mind is made up.
I will be getting rid of the dog. To a place that will end his suffering.
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Has the dog been to the vet?

How old is the dog?

Have you contacted Dachshund rescue groups?

Was the dog previously housebroken and is this a new problem?
 

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I assume this is your wife and her primary care is at home? I feel for you - that's stressful enough as it is... Been down the path twice with family and alzheimer's, it's not easy, it's frustrating, wearing...

Is it only during the night that the dog does this or is it any time? Part of the issue here is her going looking for the dog at night, maybe the dog just doesn't understand what's happening - scared. Dogs can be very in tune to people, it's not so easy to tune into an alzheimer's patient.

Her getting out of bed and wandering around can be a hazard of it's own, she slips, falls and breaks a hip... In dealing with family, we used baby monitors with a motion alarm to alert us to them getting up and moving around on their own. If you can keep her from getting out of bed, or stop her from creating the issue, would that solve the problem?
 

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1. Not a fake post.

2. Yes many times.
They said the dogs just old. And has bad kidney&liver
Yes the was fine before and has went from a minor problem of not being able to make it to the door. To urinating & soiling basically 2 steps from were ever he's sleeping.
I'd guess he's at leas 12yrs old(people years.)
No I haven't contacted and wiener dog rescue groups.
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Yeah euthanasia was what I would like.
But will be 100% honest
I don't have 400$ to pay for that. Because I don't have a job because I have to have 24/7 babysitting for grandma who as I mentioned has ALZ/ dementia.

I'll be 100% also say if I was going to kill the dog
I'd do it my self. I'm not going to leave it to someone else to pull the trigger for me.
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Sorry for 3 in a row. Most have all been getting typed/posted simultaneously.

Jagger- she is very able body, 80yrs old. Can walk circle around many people half her age. I have things similar to keep from losing her. I.e. Sound triggers for external house door... As I mentioned the problem is consistent. But as I said I can deal with the house.
BUT THE BED IS UNACCEPTABLE.
It will lead to health issues
if you have experience you know to keep some one from getting up out of bed is, saying "tie" them in. And that isn't going to happen for many reasons. I've unfortunately concluded that getting rid of the dog is the only way to keep her from getting him and putting him in her bed.
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1. Not a fake post.

2. Yes many times.
They said the dogs just old. And has bad kidney&liver
Yes the was fine before and has went from a minor problem of not being able to make it to the door. To urinating & soiling basically 2 steps from were ever he's sleeping.
I'd guess he's at leas 12yrs old(people years.)
No I haven't contacted and wiener dog rescue groups.
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First; if your dog has been diagnosed with kidney & liver disease, perhaps the best option is to euthanize. I'm sure he doesn't feel the greatest if his kidney & liver are failing. It is your responsibility to be responsible for the lifetime of your pet. To simply dump him at a shelter at his age and with his health problems with someone else who didn't ask for it is a complete a$$ thing to do. Sorry for being blunt but it's the truth.

Second; if you have the time to spend on this forum then you have time to reach out to a rescue to see if they can help. If you don't have enough time for both this forum and contacting a rescue, then choose to devote your spare time to actually trying to find more humane options instead of coming here looking for validation.


Yeah euthanasia was what I would like.
But will be 100% honest
I don't have 400$ to pay for that. Because I don't have a job because I have to have 24/7 babysitting for grandma who as I mentioned has ALZ/ dementia.

I'll be 100% also say if I was going to kill the dog
I'd do it my self. I'm not going to leave it to someone else to pull the trigger for me.
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Ask the shelter if they offer euthanasia at a lower rate. They usually do.
As for your very last comment...I have no words....so you would "kill" your own dog but then decide to dump at a shelter instead. I can't understand the logic.

Just my two cents.
 

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Sorry for 3 in a row. Most have all been getting typed/posted simultaneously.

Jagger- she is very able body, 80yrs old. Can walk circle around many people half her age. I have things similar to keep from losing her. I.e. Sound triggers for external house door... As I mentioned the problem is consistent. But as I said I can deal with the house.
BUT THE BED IS UNACCEPTABLE.
It will lead to health issues
if you have experience you know to keep some one from getting up out of bed is, saying "tie" them in. And that isn't going to happen for many reasons. I've unfortunately concluded that getting rid of the dog is the only way to keep her from getting him and putting him in her bed.
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Grandpa, I would never suggest tying anyone in. I know it's an added stress, but at least making sure she's safe through the night when up and about - or someone in the home being alerted to her being up and about.

My great grandmother was 95 when she fell and broke her hip. She too was very able bodied, healthy, and sharp as a tack the day she died at 105. She lived in assisted living situation, tripped and fell one night and busted her hip on the way to the bathroom. She wasn't found til morning. Spent the last 10 years of her life between being in bed or in a wheelchair.

I feel for you, and can feel your frustration. It sounds like you've already made up your mind about the dog. Good luck.
 

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Well the vets in this area definitely don't offer lower rates their concern is $ not pets I hate to say that but this is America and greed is confused with Need.
And I don't need validation
I'll put the dog down and not blink an eye.
I don't mean to sound so harsh but
My concern is for both the dog and the elderly woman who is oblivious to the fact that she's sleeping in piss and **** every day for over 4 months because she's mentally incompetent of understanding.

As for reaching out to a rescue I don't mean to be over realistic in a forum of animal lovers because I am myself as well, hence the house full of elderly animals all reaching the age of serious health problems. But I'm not going to reach out to someone and ask for assistance to hear what I already know.

I KNOW THE BEST SITUATION FOR THE ANIMAL IS TO HAVE HIM PUT DOWN ! Again I don't need validation. I was reaching out to see what others thought about the situation. 1. If the person who own the dog was mentally competent they would be able to take the steps to keep the animal in a manner that would ease his suffer and prolong his life. 2. I was wanting to see the view points of other pet owner who have also lived with a person with similar mental disabilities. And how they would put the needs of the disabled person on a balance with the needs of the animal (whether the animal be 100% healthy or hurting

And my comments about "killing" the dog.
I meant.
If someone is going to put an animal of MINE to death
Whether that be to take him out of his suffering or just plain murdering him it's going to be me. As mentioned I will take responsibility for MY family. Which are my pets in my consideration so if MY pet was put down it would be by MY hand. Not some dipstick doctor looking to make a buck by others burdens
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I guess possibly
I should ask the question

Is it wrong for me to make the decision that it's time to have the dog put down?

Being that he is not my dog. With the consideration that the "owner" of the animal is mentally incompetent of understanding the situation let alone making that decision.
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I'm going to be realistic with you.

If you send the dog to the shelter it will be put down, without a doubt it will be put down. Kill shelters do not spend scarce resources on sick, elderly, animals that do not have a chance of getting better. The dog may spend a few days in a cage, scared, sick, and confused, then in no one comes and rescues them they are taken and put down. They may get more time if the shelter is not high kill. That is what you are sending your dog off to if you decide to send him to the shelter, and that is why everyone is saying to take the dog and have it put to sleep yourself rather then having it go through that, and that is why I asked if you had considered a Dachshund rescue.

If I were in your shoes I'd be contacting every vet within my reach about euthanizing the dog, and every Dachshund rescue I could find. I'd contact the shelter and see what programs they had that helped elderly owners with vet cost. I'd be asking the Dachshund rescues about either taking the dog or helping me with euthanizing him and be as honest about the situation as possible. I'd basically try and move heaven and earth rather then surrender the dog to a shelter. Shelters are bad enough for young healthy dogs, but are hell on sick, elderly ones.

I'm sorry that y'all are in this position, it sucks and it isn't fair. I wish you and Grandma the best and hope that you can find a good solution.
 

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I guess possibly
I should ask the question

Is it wrong for me to make the decision that it's time to have the dog put down?

Being that he is not my dog. With the consideration that the "owner" of the animal is mentally incompetent of understanding the situation let alone making that decision.
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Seems to me that out of you and Grandma you're the only one competent enough to make the decision.

Is Grandma competent enough to handle her medical decision? Is she competent enough to handle financial decisions. If she had young children is she competent enough to care for them? If the answer to those is no, then do you thing she is capable of making medical decisions for her dog?
 
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No offense but you're at that age... How would you like it if, after years of loyalty and devotion, your family abandoned you in your golden years to a place that was strange, terrifying and lonely-- because you were incontinent and too inconvenient?

Do right by this dog. Let it finish a long life of being your wife's best friend with a peaceful passing surrounded by family. I know that caring for a spouse with Alzheimer's is incredibly stressful and difficult. But far far FAR too many elderly dogs are dumped at the shelter by owners who don't want to deal with their aging bodies, but would like to delude themselves that they are somehow doing the dog a favor by offloading it to an animal shelter.

Find a way. Make a way. Have you called every vet in town and asked about a compassionate discount? Have you called any shelters and asked if their vet would perform the service at a discounted rate? Could you contact some local rescues... ANY rescues... Cat, dog, water buffalo... Who could put you in touch with a vet who could perform the service at a discount? All worth a shot.
 

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Yeah euthanasia was what I would like.
But will be 100% honest
I don't have 400$ to pay for that. Because I don't have a job because I have to have 24/7 babysitting for grandma who as I mentioned has ALZ/ dementia.

I'll be 100% also say if I was going to kill the dog
I'd do it my self. I'm not going to leave it to someone else to pull the trigger for me.
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$400? Why so high? I think the most we have ever paid for that was around $65-$70.

I think that would be the best thing to do at this point, but I really don't have any advice otherwise for you. Good luck to you.
 

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And my comments about "killing" the dog.
I meant.
If someone is going to put an animal of MINE to death
Whether that be to take him out of his suffering or just plain murdering him it's going to be me. As mentioned I will take responsibility for MY family. Which are my pets in my consideration so if MY pet was put down it would be by MY hand. Not some dipstick doctor looking to make a buck by others burdens
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That's lame....seriously.

YET...You are willing to 'Trash Can' your dog off at a shelter knowing full well they will put the dog to sleep (for free).

I have put a good number of pets to sleep in my life due to them having complications to old age. A vet can give the pet a quick and painless death...and for most vets, it's not an easy thing to do.

Your comment about vets being 'dipsticks' might apply to a few vets, but on whole most are good people. And yes, they do charge money for what they do because that's their job/income. Most people don't work for free, and they do have to pay for the drugs they use for treating animals.

I seriously doubt it cost any where near $400.00 to put a small dog to sleep....unless you live in some millionaire/billionaire area area of a city and the swanky vet's office serves tea and crumpets in their recliner filled waiting room. And if that is the case, you should be able to afford $400.00.

My own vet, in the past and the recent past at that. Will come to My Home, (which is about 4 miles from her clinic) and put a pet down...she charges $35.00 for the visit and anywhere from $20.00 to $35 dollars for the drugs used to put the animal to sleep.

If I took my pets into her clinic and had it done there, it would have been $25 to $35 depending upon the size of the pet.

I know my vet's prices are way below average but still, I think you could find a vet easily that would do an 'in clinic' euthanasia for $100 or much less.

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- grandma can not make any decisions on any issue for herself or anything/one. Medical /financial or even down to would you like a peach or a plum (her2 fav fruits) because her response is what is a peach /plum I've never seen that before ew fuzzy....

- I can't answer why the cost is 400$
You'd have to ask the vet, which is the only vet with 60miles of our home.
That's what he charges to put done MY cat who suffered from an exploded tumor.

- I know the realization of an animal shelter.

- I have reached out to various "aids" all of which said the same thing with the dogs condition being unable to recover your best the have him put down.

- again I have to say the situation is a bit more than just say hey you cant have the doggie sleep with you any more. And as for "do right by the dog" am I not also obligated to do right by grandma and do what I need to to make sure she is well? And if it's a choice between her or the dog? Where does one draw the line and say. This is what has to be done because grandma is mentally incompetent.
Or would one day it's better that her care giver stay awake 24 hours a day and be so disoriented that they also can't make fit decisions.
Or possibly use a steel chain as a collar and paddle lock the dog to a pole out side ? Because unfortunately those are the two extremes the situation has gotten to.
Even when trying to put the dog in bed with someone else grandma become violent. When mentioning the dog is urinating and leave fecal matter in her bed and she sleeping in grandma say we are lying and just wanting to put her in a home when showing her the waste and soiled bed when she literally just sat up from sleeping in bed she say that someone put that there while she was out of the room yet she hasn't even stood up and walked away from the bed.

I don't know if any of you have every seen one of your loved ones walk out from bed with dog sh!t on there face say i must have gotten some mud on my bed or have them walk out with their night gown soaking wet from piss to say boy I must have sweated all night long....

If so then tell me what would you say or do
after you say lets go get you cleaned up
Only then to have them freak out and personally insult you and throw nearly every item in the entire bathroom at your for saying something as minor as, "boy we really need to figure how to help the dog not pee/poop in your bed..."
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