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Hello everyone,

It has been a while since I have been on this forum but have decided to come back because I know everyone is animal lovers and probably know just as much as vets do and I have an issue on my hands with my dog Bella that I was hoping you could help me out with please! I am sorry if this seems long winded but I really need help and I have received helpful information from forum users in the past which I have greatly appreciated!

Initially, I was using this forum to get information about the raw food diet because my vet and I had suspected a possible food allergy. I tried switching her to raw food because of the fact that she was always itchy, had recurrent UTI's, ear infections and consistent anal gland problems. The raw food diet only lasted a few weeks though because Bella almost choked on a bone and so it scared me enough to have to hand feed her. I hate to say it but it just wasn't feasible for me to hand feed her each meal so I went to my vet and asked which high quality kibble they recommended that should help with her allergy. They suggested Royal Canin Hypoallergenic Hydrolyzed Protein.

We have had her on this food for about 6 weeks and she is still licking her vulva, bum and scratching her ears to the point of them being red. She has been like this for a week. I have put off taking her to the vet because they always give her antibiotics which I feel is a band aid fix and not addressing what is actually CAUSING the issue. So I have been putting apple cider vinegar on her which has helped with itching and inflammation but I don't think it is obviously helping any internal issues. So now I don't know what to do!

My thoughts on helping her are:
1. Find a new vet because I feel at this point mine is hustling me.
2. Feed a raw food diet to see if issues clear up.

I am not giving up on the raw this time. I am SURE it will help. I have found a great raw food company called Big Country Raw based on of Niagara Falls, ON which is only a few hours away from me. The ingredients are all antibiotic, hormone free, local Ontario grown ingredients. It is quite reasonably priced and I am actually comfortable with giving it to Bella because it is all ground meat. I am hoping after a few weeks, Bella's issues should start to go away if it is in fact a food allergy causing her problems.

However, I guess my question is right now - what should I do to help her in the meantime? Would you take her to the vet to have her infection cleared up (probably by antibiotics which I really hate to give in most cases because I feel it causes furthers issues because it kills good bacteria) and hope that once this infection is cleared up, then the raw food should correct further infections?

Bella's attitude has been normal. She doesn't seem like she is in pain and she is in good spirits. She did have a bit of a fever it seems (her nose was dry and warm and ears too) the other night but I put cold cloths on her paws and ears and it went down soon after. I was hoping the fever would kill bacteria as it does in humans. Other than that, she seems to be good except for the biting and licking.

Any info you have would help tremendously and I am so grateful for your help in advance. I just want to help my baby. I have her best interest at heart.

Thank you,
Kerri
 

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Hello Tuckersmom,

Thank you for replying. I know this probably seems out that I am out of touch with social media, but I am not on Facebook! lol Thank you though for sending this my way!

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Glad to see you are moving off the royal canin it is junk. I would clear any infection the dog currently has. Changing food won't clear and infection.
 

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First treat her infection with antibiotics & a antifungal if it is yeast... also be giving her probiotics or yogurt while doing so and then if I were you....go back to feeding raw.
Be aware that sometimes it takes more than 6 weeks for results to show...many people with allergic dogs stop feeding raw if they don't see change in a week or two and that is just tooo soon!!!
 

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First treat her infection with antibiotics & a antifungal if it is yeast... also be giving her probiotics or yogurt while doing so and then if I were you....go back to feeding raw.
Be aware that sometimes it takes more than 6 weeks for results to show...many people with allergic dogs stop feeding raw if they don't see change in a week or two and that is just tooo soon!!!
I think I am going to have to have her go on antibiotics and will ask about an anti fungal. Will definitely do probiotics with the two.

About 7 months ago I myself started to go to a naturopathic doctor and was told I have a systemic yeast problem and was put on an antifungal. Since it has cleared up realLy well and I feel amazing! Many people have it and don't even realize the symptoms so I totally understand that it's possible my dog could have the same issue given the junk in kibble.

That's why I really want to go all natural for my dog too. I meant I am quitting kibble and sticking to raw. So far so good, better harder and smaller stools. That's at least one improvement I can already see! I will definitely keep her on kibble longer than a few weeks. Will keep her on raw and try her with different proteins and rotate for variety with ones that work for her.

Raw is the way to go!
 

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Hi I am new here hope I am doing things right my eskie is 14 yrs old and never had a allergy but this last couple months we found he is allergic to the food hes been biting at his but till he is so sore and cant even sit down we have been taking him to the vet a couple times now they put him on predizone and all kinds of stuff nothing helped we tried all natural dog foods nothing seems to help so about a week ago I put him on chicken and rice and he completely stop itching with a vitamin my husband left dog food out for my other dog last night and he ate it and the itching started again I called the vet and told her she thinks its the additives in the dog food so to go ahead and keep him on the chicken and rice and vitamin for a while to see if it clears up do you think I am going in the right direction or do I need to try something else thanks for any help you can give me I hate seeing him suffer like that
 

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Hi I am new here hope I am doing things right my eskie is 14 yrs old and never had a allergy but this last couple months we found he is allergic to the food hes been biting at his but till he is so sore and cant even sit down we have been taking him to the vet a couple times now they put him on predizone and all kinds of stuff nothing helped we tried all natural dog foods nothing seems to help so about a week ago I put him on chicken and rice and he completely stop itching with a vitamin my husband left dog food out for my other dog last night and he ate it and the itching started again I called the vet and told her she thinks its the additives in the dog food so to go ahead and keep him on the chicken and rice and vitamin for a while to see if it clears up do you think I am going in the right direction or do I need to try something else thanks for any help you can give me I hate seeing him suffer like that
Hello,

This sounds like my dogs situation!! I can totally relate to how you feel. Just a few questions:

-Have you had his anal glands checked? My dog has had anal gland issues and when they are full - she bites are her bottom because she is trying to relieve the pain and pressure.
-When you say you put him on chicken and rice - do you mean you cooked whole chicken and rice? Or do you mean a chicken and rice formula kibble?

I am assuming you mean you have been giving your dog real chicken and rice, and are not giving kibble - it would seem to me as well that it must be something in the kibble causing a reaction. I have been advised that a dog may not be allergic to the actual protein source (ie., chicken), but one that protein source has been processed, it changes the make up of the protein which can cause a reaction. I have since switched to raw.. it has only been a week and a half but so far so good.. fingers are crossed. My dog is highly sensitive and can't eat kibble because of the junk in it!

I would continue doing what you were doing to see if the reaction stops. You may want to look into raw food as well. And please make sure you are not giving cooked chicken with bones as they can splinter in the GI tract and cause issues. If you do try raw, please do not like your vet discourage you against it. Vets have very little knowledge and education on nutrition and they say its not appropriate but a dog has been predisposed to only eating raw for hundreds of years and that is what their bodies know - not kibble, its only been around for 80 years or so and is full of junk and preservatives. Think of it this way, whats healthier for us - whole chicken or McDonalds Chicken nuggets? Just a thought!

I think though that you are doing the right thing but continuing the chicken, rice and vitamin if it was helping! Its still gotta be healthier than the food thats causing a reaction! Please let me know if you need any more help with this. I am not an expert but have been dealing with this for a long time so I have a good understanding about it!

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Hi Karri yes I give him boiled chicken and of course the rice is cooked he was doing good untill the other night when he got a hold of the other dogs dog food now hes back to chewing himself raw but I hes back on the chicken and rice again hopefullyl he will stop the chewing again my vet was not happy about the diet I have him on but I got tired at watching him suffer hes been to the vet so many times and sometimes I think you have to take thing into your own hands when nothing else works I have been at a lose thank so much for getting back to me I was afraid I was the only one with the problem
 

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Hi Karri yes I give him boiled chicken and of course the rice is cooked he was doing good untill the other night when he got a hold of the other dogs dog food now hes back to chewing himself raw but I hes back on the chicken and rice again hopefullyl he will stop the chewing again my vet was not happy about the diet I have him on but I got tired at watching him suffer hes been to the vet so many times and sometimes I think you have to take thing into your own hands when nothing else works I have been at a lose thank so much for getting back to me I was afraid I was the only one with the problem
Hello! I am happy to hear you are choosing to feed real chicken and rice. I am sure that is why your dog found some relief! Although most feel that raw is still more appropriate for dogs (health wise), cooked is still 10x better than kibble.

Please believe me when I tell you, that vets are NEVER happy with what you feed dogs, unless it is kibble.. which to me is unreal!! I don't get how anyone in their right mind would believe that kibble is healthier than any whole food, cooked or not! Even though your vet might give you strange looks, if its working for your dog, continue. Most food allergies show with skin irritations and your dog is chewing itself raw because it is irritated.

I know all about having to take things into your own hands when your vet is not helping. I have went to the vet so many times, spent so much money and got no relief!! As a matter of fact, my dog has been dealing with a food allergy and my vet just kept telling me to try different kibbles and kept giving me antibiotics as a "band aid" fix for the itching. I realized that it is the kibble - not necessary even the protein but maybe even the process the kibble goes through. So I am no longer feeding kibble and am choosing raw and so far soo good. At this point, I don't care if the vet looks at me funny because I will look at them funny when they tell me kibble is better. HAHA. Keep in mind, vets get only about 8 hours of training on nutrition.. they are far from being educated about nutrition.. I would definitely take the advice from people from this forum because they have been there, done that.. That is why I chose raw and I got SO MUCH help from forum users about getting started, how much to feed, what to feed, etc.

Everyone is always here to help! Including me so if you have any other questions, I would be happy to help if I can just based on my experience!

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Hi Karri yes I give him boiled chicken and of course the rice is cooked he was doing good untill the other night when he got a hold of the other dogs dog food now hes back to chewing himself raw but I hes back on the chicken and rice again hopefullyl he will stop the chewing again my vet was not happy about the diet I have him on but I got tired at watching him suffer hes been to the vet so many times and sometimes I think you have to take thing into your own hands when nothing else works I have been at a lose thank so much for getting back to me I was afraid I was the only one with the problem
Sorry, I forgot to mention, you may want to look into getting a new vet - even maybe a homeopathic/holistic vet if you have one if your area. I found my vet was just beginning to hustle me and throw antibiotics at me but never wanted to address the issue... This made me think I was just a money grab.. If they helped me get to the bottom of the issue, then that would be no more money from me, right? Just a suggestion, but of course you can do what you please :)
 

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The one way to know what she is reacting to is by doing a food trial - 12 weeks minimum on a novel protein choice. This can be done with raw, with kibble, or cooked depending on what's available to you. All you need is a protein and other inclusions like grains, veggies, and fruits that she has not had. Example: if your current food is chicken based, with potatoes (a starch known to feed yeast), and flax, then choose a potato, chicken, flax free food.

Feed it to her for the full 12 weeks, then start adding things slowly. I did this with Tessa. We started our food trial with Turkey she started vomiting/diarrhea, so we went to Lamb, that gave her hot spots and skin infections, so we went to fish. That did the trick, no itching, no issues. After 12 weeks on just a fish based food, we started adding in other proteins, fruits, veggies, and other inclusions by adding them to her diet.

We did this by using Acana Pacifica/Orijen six fish kibble as it was readily available to me and was the only option without flaxseed. We also met with a holistic vet who talked to me a lot about the principles of Hot, Neutral, and Cool foods. Example: Lamb=Hot, Chicken = Neutral, Fish = cool.

Turns out my girl is allergic and/or intolerant to:
Flax - face swells
Chicken - Diarrhea
Potatoes - Yeast infections (including: chronic ear infections, skin infections, and leaking anal glands)
Tomatoes/tomato pomace: skin issues
Turkey - (see chicken)
Lamb - skin infections/hot spots (no surprise since Lamb is a hot meat)
 
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