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I use a device similar to a no-pull harness
A lot of us would disagree there is a similarity. Prevent pulling-vs-deliver an electronic 'stim'.

Sure, we say the dog decides what's aversive. But I'd still put money on the majority of dogs finding a turn from a front ring being less unpleasant than a shock.

You can argue that a vibration or a beep are not the same, and I'd agree. But since an e-collar is capable of delivering any or all of these, I'm afraid the slack we have allowed you so far has reached its limit.
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