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I have a 13 yr. old Min Pin. He is in good health overall. Has had bouts with bordernline pancreatitis (high lipase levels) but has been on prescription diet food for many years and it has helped. The last time blood work was off (Dec. 2013) the vet had me change to a different food. Same brand but even lower fat for gastrointestinal health. In the past two months he has started having bouts of diarrhea with gas/foul smelling farts, and sometimes vomitting. Have taken him to vets twice and was given several different types of antibiotics. Also anti-inflamatory shots and pro-biotic powder to add to food. Dog would be fine for a few weeks, then it would recurr. Added canned food to supplement the new dry food. Seemed OK, then another flare-up. He still eats and drinks, but gets rather lethargic. Not interested in treats. Acts oddly. Poops on same schedule but it gets very soft, unformed, and sometimes watery. Belly seems to swell and look rounded. He gets restless and I can tell he doesn't feel well.
This just happened again with a different canned food and there was more vomitting. Vet suggested perhaps taking dog to a specialist to have an ultra sound.
But I keep thinking that he seemed OK for years on the old dry food. Could these problems be connected to the change of food since December? Has anyone else noticed similar reactions to changing foods? I would like to go back to what he ate before and just stop all this new, lower fat stuff. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I love my little fella and want to keep him around for as long as possible.
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What food were you feeding, and what are you feeding now.

Yes, it does sound like he could have an intolerance to an ingredient in the food, but it's very important to make sure it's not an underlying medical problem causing the digestive issues before starting to switch foods.

My boy was allergic to chicken, one of the reactions he'd have was diarrhea. His ears would also bother him and his skin would be itchy, but the main symptom was diarrhea.

Please follow up with the specialist for your boy and once he's cleared medically check out the ingredients in the food you were feeding and the new food. With my boy the chicken intolerance turned into a full blown allergy when I switched him to a diet that was almost all chicken based. I'm wondering if that isn't what's happening with your dog.
 

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For years I was feeding Duke Hills W/D dry food. He had a weight problem when I first got him from the rescue shelter. So the plan was to get him down to a healthier weight. He always loved the food. I didn't need to doctor it up with canned food or anything. Duke can get bouts of high lipase levels in his blood tests and they say it can be borderline pancreatitis. So I have been diligent over the years not to feed him store-bought treats or table scraps. etc. He has been pretty healthy in all respects.
In December he had blood work and this time his lipase levels were quite high. So the vet switched him to I/D - an even lower fat food designed for gastrointestinal health. For several weeks I mixed the old and new food together. It went OK. Then it was just the new food. For the first time in 7 years Duke would walk to his bowl and sniff the food, and then walk away. I was surprised. Never had happened before. He had a bout of strange poops in early January, but it cleared up in a day or so. Then another later in Jan. Stool sample showed bacteria, so he was on more antibiotics. (He has been on several courses of antibiotic since December). He was OK for awhile again. Now he has started up with the same thing, but with some vomiting. I most likely will take him for an ultrasound to see if there is something as yet undetected in his belly.
But I think back over the past couple months, even with all the antibiotics he has been on, that he never started having these issues until I switched to this I/D food. I will have to check the ingredients of both to see what might be different. I still think I may go back to the W/D. He seemed good on that. Thank you for your response.
 

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I'm glad that you are considering the ultra sound.

I was curious so I looked up the ingredients in the food.

W/D Ingredients
Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken by-product Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean Mill Run, Soybean Oil, Dried Beet Pulp, Lactic Acid, Soybean Meal, Caramel (color), Potassium Chloride, Calcium Sulfate, Flaxseed, L-Lysine, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Taurine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Iodized Salt, L-Tryptophan, L-Carnitine, L-Threonine, Mixed Tocopherols added to retain freshness, Citric Acid added to retain freshness, Phosphoric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

I/D ingredients:
Whole Grain Corn, Brewers Rice, Dried Egg Product, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Powdered Cellulose, Lactic Acid, Dicalcium Phosphate, Chicken Liver Flavor, Iodized Salt, Potassium Citrate, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Taurine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols & Citric Acid, Phosphoric Acid, Beta-carotene, Rosemary Extract.

If you switch the food try looking for one that's low fat food, that's not loaded with corn, and that doesn't contain chicken, pork, or egg. Corn is a filler and can be an allergen. Chicken is in both the foods, he may be sensitive or allergic to it, you also want to avoid chicken fat, and poultry in the ingredients. Pork and egg is only in the new food, and may be what's causing the the new symptoms.

I'm not sure what % of fat your looking for, but Natural Balance dog food has a large variety of limited ingredient foods that are pretty low in protein but I'm not sure about the fat since it was never a concern of mine, it may be something to look into.
 

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I did the same thing, and looked up both sets of ingredients to see what was different. Duke ate the W/D for years. Never had a lick of problems with it. As for the low fat deal I only have to watch that he doesn't get fat from commercial treats, food scraps, or things like that. He must have problems with too much fat as it causes elevation of his lipase levels, which the vet says can lead to pancreatitis if not monitored. No rawhide chews or anything similar. He started on the W/D to help with his weight years ago, and that has kept it under control.
He has never had a problem with chicken. I've given him boiled rice and chicken sometimes when he has had these diarrhea spells in the past. Whatever is in the W/D has been fine - corn or other things, unless he has developed an allergy or sensitivity to something recently, which is possible I guess.
I am more and more convinced that the problem is this new food. As I think back it was after he changed to the I/D that he has had troubles. At first I thought it was from all the antibiotics he had taken. But it never caused problems before. Nothing else has changed but the food. Maybe that is why he turned up his nose to it from the start, after I stopped mixing it with the old stuff. He may sense that it is not good for him and doesn't really enjoy eating it.
So I have scheduled an ultrasound for next Tuesday. That was the first opening. I want to know, at least for my peace of mind, that there is nothing else wrong that has not shown up on blood tests and urine tests, etc. All these things came back OK the last time. I am going to the vet tomorrow and get a bag of his old food. Will try mixing it with some rice/chicken for a few days to see how that goes. Maybe the change back to W/D will work. I hope so. It is stressful to see him not feeling well. I know all you other dog people who have been through similar things will understand completely.
Thanks again for your help. I will try to post a pic of little Duke. He is a real cutie.
 

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Duke in Sponge Bob sweater

Duke in his Spongebob sweater. It has been cold this winter...
13 year old Min Pin, but not a real petite one. Kind of bulked up. Rescued from S.U.N.A. (Society for Unwanted and Neglected Animals) in Silver Springs, NY. A wonderful place for helping all animals.

Duke sweater 4.jpg
 

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He's adorable!

I don't blame you for first going back to his old food and seeing how he does on it. I would have done the same with my old boy but I knew for certain that it was chicken causing his problems and his old food had both chicken and beef.

Hopefully the ultra sound will show that all is well and it's the food causing his problem.
 

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I hope and pray that will be the case. Duke has always been pretty healthy since I got him at age 5. He has had dental issues but I have kept his teeth clean and he gets a vet dental treatment when needed. He has been a happy dog too.
I keep thinking about this food change. This morning he seemed fine when we woke up. He was quiet all night. No restlessness or making funny noises when breathing. He seemed good. I fed him some I/D canned with a bit of the dry mixed in. Not too much. He ate and drank. By the time I fixed coffee and sat down I could tell he was already feeling poorly.

This afternoon when I came home he was jumping and happy and full of it. We actually went for a walk all the way around the block for the first time in weeks as it has been so bitter cold. He had great fun.
I fed him some canned food, again not too much, and shortly after he was the same as before. He didn't even want a treat. That is not Duke behavior.

So I am starting him again on boiled rice/chicken. I will start mixing in the old food after awhile. I got some Pepto to give him, as the vet said that should help with the diarrhea. I will know more after the ultrasound. Hope they won't find anything alarming. If he tolerates the old food again and stays symptom free I will be very happy. And he will too.

I really appreciate this forum. Hope I will be able to help someone else with their dog in time.
 

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Hi, I am new here. I had a high lipid problem with my former doggie. He was a mini schnauzer. He had one attack of pancreatitus an then was put on Hills WD... He did very well on it. I gave him only raw veggies for snacks which he loved, baby carrots, asparagus (ends) celery peppers etc. He did very well. Later the lipids were up a little more because I tried switching him to a low fat regular premium food. Probably shouldn't have, so the vet had me put him on Hills RD... also worked well and kept the numbers in check. Hopefully your ultra sound will be OK, and u will find its just the food. My dogs number were still a little high but my vet said he was still comfortable with it (not too far out of range). I don't remember what the count was tho-. Never had any other gastro problems. He remained on the RD ...lost him to cancer in May 2013.... Now I have another schnauzer...10 months old and I do try to watch his diet! Good Luck...... PS He is precious
 

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I am sorry to hear about your puppy's passing. I know how hard it is to lose a beloved pet who is so much a part of your life and family. And I thank you for sharing your experience with the high lipase levels.

Duke has had an issue since I first got him 7 yrs. ago. I get him tested at least once a year with some kind of broad spectrum (not the right term) blood test that the vet sends away and it gives readings for all sorts of things including lipase, iron, kidney function, calcium levels, etc. I feel it is a good thing to do. Sometimes his lipase is high and then after making sure he doesn't eat anything he should't it gets back down to acceptable levels. The Hills W/D has worked the best for him over the years.

I also give him baby carrots as treats. He loves them. Sometimes I cut them in smaller pieces, and other times he likes to chew on them whole. He has fun with them. I just learned not to give him any cheap store-bought treats or food scraps or things that might be too high fat.

He is doing much better the last couple days. Eating still his chicken/rice but I will start transitioning him back to the straight W/D. This morning he woke up all happy and frisky, jumping and doing his little dance because he knew it was time for breakfast. Had a poop that was so firm and perfect I would consider entering it in the county fair! (lol) I was very happy too.

I will update after his ultrasound. I am hoping it will not show anything bad, but if it does, I will at least know what else I am dealing with.
Thanks again for sharing
 

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Duke update

Just got back from the ultrasound with the internist vet. She was very nice, patient, and thorough. Spent probably 20 minutes looking around in Duke's belly. He was a bit restless sometimes, but cooperative.

The results were wonderful. She saw nothing unusual or alarming. I watched the screen as she pointed out different things. Very interesting. She noticed a couple minor things that she said are common in older dogs, but not anything to cause a problem.

She discussed all the test results and records that my own vet had faxed to her. I described everything that Duke had been doing and how he had been feeling. She came to the same conclusion that I did. Something in the new food that he was on since December was not agreeing with Duke. He probably had an allergy to an ingredient in it. She recommended staying with the old W/D food, which I had switched him too already.

I came away feeling much relief. Duke has been so good since the end of last week. He is back to being himself. Playful, happy, goofy, sweet, and cuddly. It cost $330 for the scan, which I had to put on my credit card, but it was money well spent.

Just wanted everyone to know what happened and to say thanks again for all your nice replies and suggestions. :thumbsup:
 

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I'm so happy that Duke is alright, and that he's back to being his old self! That's so great.

Yep $330 is cheap for having peace of mind and knowing for certain that he's healthy, I know I would have gladly spent it.
 

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thank goodness it was only the food causing him problems! not good problems mind ya but at least he is off that food and back on w/d
 
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