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Got an issue. My Chihuahuas have had 4 litters so far. Will my sister got a rot marking male from the 1st litter and my Mom got a cream colored beauty from the 3rd. While my Mom was dog sitting for my Sis the male got to the female. How bad is this situation. I know brothers and sisters are not to mate and this its the first time I'm actually dealing or involved with this situation.
 

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Your post wasn't entirely clear Is it the same sire for both litters? Is it the same mom for all 4 litters? How old are the pups that just bred? How long ago was she bred? How far along in her heat cycle is/was she? What experience do you have in raising and breeding dogs?

Without knowing what's actually going on we could all just speculate and assume, but unfortunately that's not going to help anyone.
 

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Above all, before I comment, this is extremely irresponsible and you need to spay and neuter your animals as you and your family clearly aren't experienced in the breeding world.

Did the dogs have full genetic health testing?

When siblings breed in dogs, it causes the offspring to have shared traits. Some breeders do this to pull out desirable traits, however if the dog has genetic defects such as hip displaysia and patella luxation, the likelihood of the offspring having those defects and issues is extremely high, and the issues will very likely be worsened by the situation upon birth.

The male and female, while being brother and sister, may only carry one code for a genetic defect, meaning they don't show symptoms of the defect. However if they mate together, both having the code, their offspring will have the defect.

If the dogs are clear for ALL genetic health testing, there isn't a high risk. If they aren't, you may have an expensive and sad issue on your hands.

I'm curious as to what you're planning on doing with these puppies?
 

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Lol. I see all the negative remarks, not surprising for the most part since this is the internet. But the same father and mother to all litters for the one comment asking. As for the other comments with the irresponsibility was not me that let it happen and no i dont let siblings mate. Back yard breeding lmao get a life. Yea there was an incident that i couldn't control so that makes me a bad person that dont know anything about dogs and breeding. My question was how bad the situation could be since i have not had siblings mate. Apparently this isn't a place to ask questions without the ridicule of others trying to lend a thoughtful hand. My apologise for wasting your few precious " can't get a life" minutes asking and seeking guidance
 

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Lol. I see all the negative remarks, not surprising for the most part since this is the internet. But the same father and mother to all litters for the one comment asking. As for the other comments with the irresponsibility was not me that let it happen and no i dont let siblings mate. Back yard breeding lmao get a life. Yea there was an incident that i couldn't control so that makes me a bad person that dont know anything about dogs and breeding. My question was how bad the situation could be since i have not had siblings mate. Apparently this isn't a place to ask questions without the ridicule of others trying to lend a thoughtful hand. My apologise for wasting your few precious " can't get a life" minutes asking and seeking guidance
Excuse me, but I gave you informed information and answered the question you asked about how bad the situation could be. You have not filled me in on whether the parents were tested for ALL genetic screening (which is a major factor in how bad the situation is). I'm not sure what you expected to receive from a forum full of people who deeply care about the well being of other animals.

Your family, who was apparently (your words) responsible for this, should know more than me, who does not breed dogs, about genetic codes regarding inherited diseases like luxating patella and hip displaysia, and the dramatic effects they have on inbred dogs. They should also have their puppies tested for genetic diseases, and if they don't that's another mark of irresponsibility. One more mark is allowing two unfixed siblings in heat access to one another. I'm wondering why these dogs aren't fixed in the first place - are they planning on breeding these dogs as well?

If the people responsible (since you claim not to be) don't know the above and had to have you ask a forum online, then they clearly don't have the experience necessary to rear or raise a litter of healthy pups. I'm wondering if you would have had to come and ask a forum online if there were complications during birth, and if your reaction would have been the same when people were irritated by the negligent breeders who don't know what to do in even a situation of inbreeding.

Sorry you feel the way you do but it's hard to feel bad for these kinds of situations where the dogs may pay the ultimate price for irresponsible owners.
 

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You say these are YOUR dogs, so I'm curious as to how **four** litters happened, somehow, out of your control.

I would be concerned, yes. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe something will. Betting your dogs are not well bred to start with, their children certainly aren't and now inbreeding is thrown into the mix.

I've thankfully not seen many inbred dogs but I have been privy to inbred cats....sometimes the deformities are obvious, many times the animal looks and acts fine until their system just fails.
 

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It will depend on how inbred the siblings' parents were to some degree and what kind of health problems might be in the lines.

A single brother-sister mating without a lot of previous inbreeding and otherwise healthy, the puppies may very well be totally fine. But probably a very good idea to spay/neuter at this stage so it doesn't happen again.

A brother-sister mating with a lot of inbreeding or line breeding and/or health problems that may be magnified by being doubled up may have a lot of problems.

(Although sadly in many of these small breeds there are health problems that are pretty endemic anyway and it's hard NOT to double up.)
 

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If you're lucky the puppies will be fine. If you're not, they're going to be neurotic, physically handicapped, and otherwise incredibly unhealthy. In this situation, bring the pregnant female to the vet!!! and see about getting x-rays and ultrasounds NOW to find out if the puppies are deformed and whether or not it would be best to abort-spay the female.

Things might be just fine. But since you've bred dogs at least four times now you know surely how fast things can suddenly become NOT fine.
 

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Ok. So i guess i wasn't to clear I the which dog is which. I have two Chihuahua which themselves are not related, one ( the male ) from a breeder that i did a small project for while the other (the female) was paid for from another person all together. I did take them in for testing due to the female had me concerned from what i thought to be a defect. It was not though. The testing said that both are in good health but the male could possibly have a hip issue later in life. Now these two i own and have had 4 litters in 6 yrs. No i don't intend to have them fixed and i DONOT consider myself a breeder either.

Now the dogs i was concerned about are the puppies from my dogs. They are two litters apart. Male is older than female and no i have not had them tested in anyway. Most i do with the pups is get them their shots and send them on their way. I don't breed to sell but when we have a litter its typically due to ppl, coworkers, friends and family asking for a pup.

I will admit that I'm not by any means a breeder nor do i broadcast to ppl that i am.
This situation does have me flustered because i told my mother to keep her dog in the room while it was in heat and she had the brother there.
When my dogs have had pups it was planned, except the first litter total accident, after learning the females cycle we can plan for the most part.

So the female (sister) is not showing yet. Is it possible she may not be pregnant?
 

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No i don't intend to have them fixed and i DONOT consider myself a breeder either.

Most i do with the pups is get them their shots and send them on their way. I don't breed to sell but when we have a litter its typically due to ppl, coworkers, friends and family asking for a pup.

........So you're a breeder
 

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Ok. So i guess i wasn't to clear I the which dog is which. I have two Chihuahua which themselves are not related, one ( the male ) from a breeder that i did a small project for while the other (the female) was paid for from another person all together. I did take them in for testing due to the female had me concerned from what i thought to be a defect. It was not though. The testing said that both are in good health but the male could possibly have a hip issue later in life. Now these two i own and have had 4 litters in 6 yrs. No i don't intend to have them fixed and i DONOT consider myself a breeder either.

Now the dogs i was concerned about are the puppies from my dogs. They are two litters apart. Male is older than female and no i have not had them tested in anyway. Most i do with the pups is get them their shots and send them on their way. I don't breed to sell but when we have a litter its typically due to ppl, coworkers, friends and family asking for a pup.

I will admit that I'm not by any means a breeder nor do i broadcast to ppl that i am.
This situation does have me flustered because i told my mother to keep her dog in the room while it was in heat and she had the brother there.
When my dogs have had pups it was planned, except the first litter total accident, after learning the females cycle we can plan for the most part.

So the female (sister) is not showing yet. Is it possible she may not be pregnant?
By a "hip problem later in life" I'm assuming you mean hip displaysia, and since you seem to not know the term I'm assuming you also don't know that is included in the list of genetic issues that will likely be a problem for all of the pups involved.

You are a breeder. You are mating your dogs and whether you charge the puppies or not you're breeding them. Hate to sound mean but if you don't even know if the dog could potentially not be pregnant or how to know or what to do if you think a dog is pregnant, you are not only a breeder you are an inexperienced one. You seem to do this for a hobby for your friends. In my honest opinion you need to get your dogs fixed and stop. You don't know what you're doing and you have to ask a forum online some basic questions on dog breeding even though you've had 4 litters that come from dogs with known genetic issues like hip displaysia. A responsible person who was breeding their dogs would NEVER breed a dog with known genetic issues, and would also never breed dogs without getting them fully checked out for at least the common genetic tests.

Creating sick dogs and giving them to your friends is cruel to the dogs and your friends. Stop doing this for the sake of both.
 

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dogs don't care about social norms like "they're siblings!" when they mate.
they mate when a partner is available.
the inbreeding should be okay, when it's just one time, but not when there's a lot of it in the line.
please prevent further litters. 4 litters is already a lot.
 

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All right so I'm inexperienced got me there, nvr said i was. Guess i could see it being a hobby in a way since i do it. And yea i can agree with me needing to do testing and learning more about genetic issues. No i don't know the words or how to spell them guess I'm ignorant on that issue.
I guess i got frustrated due to you gentlemen an ladies (if there are any who commented) being experienced and right away started bagging on me about this.

So as far as getting my dogs fixed guess I'll be doing that since i found out that the next possible litter can put a strain on my female and i do not plan on giving her any more complications, plus it would be wise to learn more about breeding.

Thanks for your time an advice, the good and bashed on. ?
 

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All right so I'm inexperienced got me there, nvr said i was. Guess i could see it being a hobby in a way since i do it. And yea i can agree with me needing to do testing and learning more about genetic issues. No i don't know the words or how to spell them guess I'm ignorant on that issue.
I guess i got frustrated due to you gentlemen an ladies (if there are any who commented) being experienced and right away started bagging on me about this.

So as far as getting my dogs fixed guess I'll be doing that since i found out that the next possible litter can put a strain on my female and i do not plan on giving her any more complications, plus it would be wise to learn more about breeding.

Thanks for your time an advice, the good and bashed on. ?
Im very glad to hear you admit to being a breeder and inexperienced and that you are going to get the dogs spayed its the kindest thing for me and you.

on here we have learnt through research about backyard breeders and puppy mills and what a responsible breeder is( gets dogs health tested, genetic testing, x rays etc, plans the litter and often the breeders have many titles to their dog from winning obedience, agility and so on.

on here we just dont want to see any backyard breeders who breed litters, dont understand about breeding and so on because it adds to the population of pups on streets after owners give up, pups and dogs ending in shelters for rehome if they dont get put to sleep first.
 
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