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Okay, I have been looking on through all the animal shelters for several counties around me. I looking at every dog they have. I would say roughly, 60% of what they have is some kind of Pit mix, 30% is Chihuahua mix, 8% Random Large breed dogs, 2% very old small dogs. I have no interest at all owning anything with pit in it, not really fond of Chihuahuas, I don't want any large breed dog, and I don't want to make an emotional investment in a dog that might die in the next couple of years.

I have tried using to locate a dog to go check out, and it keeps saying no dogs match. It also does not work very well. If I choose, "YOUNG" it comes up with 10 year old dogs.

I also went down to the local SPCA and looked through their dogs and found nothing.

I want to go dog hunting today, but I can't even find a place to start. Can anyone recommend a good site for searching?
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Thanks. I am looking for a small breed (not tiny) dog between 12 and 20lbs (full grown) that will be a low to medium energy family lapdog dog. I do not like hyper dogs. I am looking for a dog that is under 1 yr old. Breeds I have been considering are the Beagle and the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, of course a good mix of one these would be acceptable as long as it was not a mix with a Pit or a larger breed dog, or a high energy dog like a Rat or a Jack Russel.

In your other thread you mention no known genetic health problems, considering that I'd steer clear of King Charles Spaniels. They are lovely dogs, but if you do not get one from a very good breeder they stand a good chance of having a few horrible genetic health problems Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - Health & Genetic Diseases Now nearly every breed of dog has at least some genetic health problems but CKCS are, as a whole, not a healthy breed.

Have you checked out PetFinder? I used Dallas as the town since I wasn't sure which part of TX you're in
Brindle chihuahua x dach maybe, BUT it's really hard to tell going by that picture, I can't tell body length, size, chest shape, or tail.
Let me see if I understand this correctly.... You get insulted by reputable rescues and shelters that ask a ton of questions, do home checks, and try and make sure they pair you up with dogs that will best fit your lifestyle, the types of rescues and shelters that those of us on DF recommend people go to. You decide to go to a shelter that does minimum checks, know nothing about the dogs in their care, that allow a person to choose whatever dog they please so long as the person can pay the adoption fee, and then get ticked off because you ended up with a dog that is completely inappropriate for your home? DF was not the problem, you were for being to impatient to go through a legitimate adoption process.

Good dog rescues consider the dogs in their care as theirs. They take the time to know their dogs, they invest their time, sweat, and tears into rescuing and caring for those dogs. They want their dogs to go to the best home possible, a forever home where the dog will fit in and thrive, and they want the new owners to have the best possible dog for them so that they do not have to go through the heartache you went through. Good breeders are the same.

By the way, I'm one who uses the APBT argument. Saying all dogs with a short coat, square head and blocky build is a pit bull is the equivalent of saying that all tri colored dogs with a square head are a rottweiler, and all black and white dogs with a longer muzzle and medium length coat are border collies. Pit Bull is an umbrella term that's now used to describe any dog with a short coat, square head, and blocky build regardless of breed. The way it's used is a descriptive term and not a breed. Dogs with that shape do not have any greater capacity to do damage then any other dog their size. They do not even have the strongest bite. Any dog that's the size of those generally labeled pit bull can kill a person with the same ease as those labeled pit bull.
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What makes a dog of more intrinsic value then any other animal?

I'm bored so I guess I'll go after the red herring...

I value all life, whether it's dogs, cats, chickens, fish, reptiles, heck even insects. None has greater value in and of their selves. Now I am going to value my dogs life over your chickens if it should ever come down to it but that's because I'm emotionally attached to my dog and not your chickens.

If you want an example, I have a dog and back in Nov. acquired a Betta. I love both of them and take equal care of both. They both have the best care I can provide. I just spent a couple hours last night cleaning the fish's 5 gal tank (I wish I had the space for a 10 gal for him) rearranging his plants and rock, and placing a new plant I bought for him, all in the hopes that he'd be happier in his habitat. He holds value for me, not because he's monetarily valuable but because he's a living being. I value him over your chickens and roosters because he belongs to me and I'm responsible for his well being. I do not however value him over my dog, to me they are both of equal value, although if I'm completely honest if I had to choose between them I'd choose the dog.
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The question was an honest question and I think many people provided decent answers.

The answer is very simple though, a dog has no more in intrinsic value (belonging to a thing by its very nature) then any other animal. Dogs have no more intrinsic value then a chicken, a cow, a pig or a coyote. But, in this country, dogs that are pets have only been more Assigned superior value, but that is purely an emotional societal driven idea. It is an idea that is not based on intelligent logical fact.

The reason I am pointing this out is because a lot of the criticism I have received on this forum, comes from this societal idea of a dogs superior value. I think the majority of the people here, share this sub-conscience idea that dogs are more valuable then other animals. But this is a purely emotionally based idea based on an assigned value that you have given to dogs and not an intrinsic value that they have.
I stated that no living being has greater value in and of their self, so I do agree with you their. I don't assign dogs more value then any other animal, BUT I do assign my dog more value then any other dog. He's MY dog so he has more value to me, and yes that's based on emotion. I like nearly all dogs, I love my dog.

My criticism had nothing to do with how I view my dog, or any other dog, but rather then fact that, you asked the best site for finding a dog and then seriously objected to the process of adopting a dog through a decent rescue or animal shelter. This is what you wrote " My suggestions to all of you, is to think hard before you again make the recommendation and encourage people to get a dog from shelters. I am not saying anyone here is responsible for what happened, but I had not thought about looking at shelter dogs before I was encouraged to do so on this forum." You wrote it because you went to a shelter that let you adopt a dog that was not suitable for you, and you went to that shelter because, near as I can tell, the reputable shelters were daring to try to match you up with suitable dogs rather then letting you pick for yourself.

Here is the reason I used my chickens as an example. Yes, I have very beautiful chickens, which I enjoy very much. But the truth about raising show chickens is that you have to cull your birds. For those that don't understand what culling is, it means that you have to get birds of lesser quality out of your breeding program. Out of a 100 chicks, I may have to cull 97%. What happens to this 97%? They are converted into food for my table.

Now, I know some of you just had a knee jerk reaction to that last sentence, but how many of you eat chicken? Or how about beef, pork, and lamb? (Please no vegan comments here. We know what you believe. Okay).

If dogs have no more intrinsic value then any other animal, why do we think that it's okay to kill and eat one, but the other (Dogs) must be treated with almost human like care? Why is it that a state government that passes all kinds of laws to protect dogs from abuse, also hires full time professional hunters to chase down kill coyotes (Dogs) from helicopters by the thousands? (I can post video if you don't believe me about this.) I bet there are even people on this very forum that go out and kill coyotes (wild dogs), but think that their pet dogs deserve to be treated like humans. The truth is that the fact that we hold a much higher standard for the treatment of dogs in this society, is just proof that we have "Hypocrisy of Ideas".

I could go on and on demonstrating the ideological hypocrisies of the American society concerning domesticated dogs, but it is not necessary. You get the point.
You could also ship the birds off to a rescue if you wanted to go that route, you could not breed so many of the chickens, you could not let so many of the eggs hatch. You choose to use them as a food source, frankly I don't care. At least your birds likely had a better life then the ones they sell in the supermarket that come from commercial breeders.

Yes they cull coyotes, let their population get to large and they become a nuisance animal and would likely just get shot by ranchers or make a living snatching people's pets. They also cull dogs, only they don't call it that. They call it euthanizing them after their short stay at the high kill shelter is done. I bet you your flock of chickens that they cull a heck of a lot more dogs then they do coyotes. It's just a lovely fact of the dog over population in this country. Don't get me started on the number of cats that are culled.

Actually I do not treat my dog like a human, I do not baby him, he is treated like a dog. I do not expect anyone to take care of their dog as I take care of mine, but I do expect them to meet a minimum level of care. I do expect people to provide their dog with appropriate shelter, exercise, fresh food and water, vet care, and to not abuse the dog. If they want to provide dog beds, fancy collars, hire trainers, multiple toys, etc, that's up to the individual

Many of the comments and even advice here have been based on this illusion of supreme value that has been assigned to dogs. I think the reason so many of you are critical of me is because you don't seem to get yet that I don't share your value system for dogs. Or if you do, you don't like me for it. The problem is, that you have ideas that you live by that are not founded in logic or intelligence, but are founded in emotion. You are free to disagree, but you would then bare the burden of making an intelligent argument for why domesticated dogs hold a higher intrinsic value then other animals, and I think you know that you can't. The only argument you might make would be based on utility (whether physical or emotional), but that would still place them in the same category as livestock.

Listen, I am not saying you are wrong from loving your dogs. It's just wrong for you to ask everyone to value domesticated dogs the way you do, or judge them for not living by your emotional standards.
No see there you are mistaken. I don't care if you don't value dogs the same way I do. I find it sad and think you may never have the same level of enjoyment, pleasure, or love, that I and my dog have, but I don't dislike you for it. So long as the dog is well taken care of I don't care about a person's personal beliefs.

Emotions will always play a role in how we value living beings. Using your chickens as an example. If you and a friend had coops set up next to each other in a barn and the barn caught fire, are you going to save your chickens or your friends? If you are going to save yours then why? The chickens are just chickens they have the same value so why not save his? Then again maybe you place more value on yourself and wouldn't risk your self to save any of them.

Personally, I view dogs in the same manner as I do my chickens. They exist for my purposes, not me for theirs. I do not exist to provide them with a good home, they exist to provide me with enjoyment. Not ascribing the same emotionally based illusion of superior value to a dog as you do, does not make me a bad pet owner. My animals are very well taken care of and generally live full lives with me and die of old age. I would challenge anyone here to come and visit me and tell me if any of the dogs that I have owned in my life were not the most friendly, well balanced, healthy dogs you have seen.

Why am I saying all this? Because, I just want you to understand who you are dealing with. I hold a completely different value system then you. I do not subscribe to the modern American cultural ideas about dogs. I understand that I am in the minority here and that there are many people that are fanatical about their FEELINGs towards dogs that are based on this emotional illusion of superior value. Unfortunately, a lot of them volunteer at shelters.
I think maybe you should try and understand why the adoption process is in place in the majority of the good rescues and shelters. It really has very little to do with American cultural ideas about dogs and a lot to do with seeing the worse of humanity.

Maybe you should try volunteering at a shelter or rescue so you understand why many of them feel as they do. You say that you take great care of your animals, well many that end up at rescues or shelters come from abusive or neglect situations. Many of those volunteers have worked day and night to save an animal and theirs no way they are going to let them go back into a similar situation. So yes, they interview prospective adopters, and then work to find the dog that will best fit the living situation. If the dog is not good with children then they are not going to let it go home with a family that has twin 6 year olds. If it has high prey drive then it won't be suitable for a home with small pets. If it's shy then a person that likes to throw parties is not going to be an appropriate owner.

When I'm looking to adopt a dog I'm also looking for one that fits my criteria, but I'm wise enough to know that if I go to a good shelter or rescue the people their are going to be my best bet to find that dog. They know the dogs, they work with them, they care for them. Now maybe you are Dr. Doolittle and can talk to the dogs and don't need the shelter personnel to help you. Maybe you can ask the dog, "Hey buddy, how do you feel about having little children touch your bone?", and have the dog answer, but as much as I wish I could I cannot.
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