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Zody has been acting like his butt really bothered him so I took him to the vet. The vet diagnosed full anal glands and emptied them. 1 day after that he looked like he was better, the next day he acted like they were starting to bother him again, by the following day he was acting like they were really bothering him so I called the vet. The vet decided to do an anal glad flush which was done today.

I just picked him up, the vet said that they didn't look to bad, and had no puss or anything. He gave him a steroid shot, and another one of antibiotics, but did not send him home with an antibiotic prescription:ponder: His only recommendation is to start feeding him Hill's W/D to bulk up his stool. Does that sound right??? This is the same vet that told me to feed Zody Hill's to help with his luxating patella. Zody did not do well on it and has been great without me feeding the food. It's also the same vet when I asked about giving prunes to help with anal glads he said no, yet he recommends this food due to the high fiber content. He also said do not feed pumpkin since it'll cause diarrhea. I'm more, and more, inclined to not trust his food recommendations:rolleyes: But maybe y'all know something I don't and this latest food recommendation may help.
 

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The ingredients look like something I'd be inclined to feed a cow, and it's main protein #3 on the ingredients list is chicken meal, I suspect that the raw chicken wing I gave him a couple weeks ago may have been what set this whole thing off.

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Ingredients: Whole grain wheat, whole grain corn, powdered cellulose, chicken meal, corn gluten meal, whole grain sorghum, soybean mill run, chicken liver flavor, pork fat, soybean oil, pork liver flavor, lactic acid, caramel color, potassium chloride, choline chloride, l-lysine, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), niacin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin supplement, biotin, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement), iodized salt, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), taurine, l-carnitine, calcium sulfate, dl-methionine, l-threonine, l-tryptophan, mixed tocopherols for freshness, natural flavors, beta-carotene

Everything a growing CALF needs...
 

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that isnt right at all! i wouldnt feed that food at all. he needs antibiotic course stacy! everytime Jess had infected glands or a flush antibiotics standard procedure id think. Id be inclined to change vets
 

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Well...

In my year of working at a vet clinic, I can't say that we've ever flushed a dog's anal glands unless they were impacted or abscessed. Sure they were full, but if they emptied easily and the contents were normal....I can't see how a flush would be justified. If it was infected or impacted, they would have known when they emptied them. I'm not sure why they gave antibiotics or steroids if there weren't any actual observed issues with the anal glands except to prevent issues from them being flushed.

w/d is formulated to be a diabetic/glucose and weight management food. It's baaaaasically loaded with insoluble fiber. Just bulk that doesn't break down and goes right through the dog. So yeah, it'll bulk up his stool alright lol. But I'm unaware of any actual evidence to suggest that adding fiber will help with anal gland issues. A lot of people speculate that it does, but there are still lots of dogs out there that continue to have anal gland infections regardless of what is fed or what supplements are added. Vets where I work have recommended pumpkin if the owners want to give it a shot, but I've never heard them suggest w/d for anything but a diabetic animal.

That said....You fed a chicken wing. Which is very high in bone content. Bone content will firm stool quick. Sometimes to the point it causes a bit of constipation. Some dogs are a bit more sensitive to this than others. It could be he was scooting because he was a bit constipated, or he strained a bit getting his last poop out. I wouldn't discourage you from trying to include raw in the diet; I think supplementing raw is great if somebody can't afford or feasible feed all raw. You might just have to be more careful and make sure there's more meat and less bone. Or if you feed a boney thing like a wing, include something that more traditionally softens stool like a chunk of heart or liver, to balance it out.
 

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@TiggerBounce rain told me they were slightly infected on expressing them and the vet just gave antibiotic shot even when jessies were slightly infected she got antibiotic cover to prevent any infection esp after being flushed out! honestly this vet reminds me of rodney Jessies previous vet!
 
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Well she didn't mention anything about them being infected here, so I can only assume that they weren't.

There are long acting antibiotic injections that can be used in place of orals.
 

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Well she didn't mention anything about them being infected here, so I can only assume that they weren't.

There are long acting antibiotic injections that can be used in place of orals.
No that was on facebook the other day sorry and i suspect she accidentally forgot to tell us that.
 
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Well she didn't mention anything about them being infected here, so I can only assume that they weren't.

There are long acting antibiotic injections that can be used in place of orals.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that he did say that they were slightly infected when he emptied them. I'm guessing that's why he decided on a flush after Zody started acting like they were still bothering him.

He never seemed constipated after the chicken wing, but after that his poo did start getting softer. Not diarrhea, just soft.
 

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Well...

In my year of working at a vet clinic, I can't say that we've ever flushed a dog's anal glands unless they were impacted or abscessed. Sure they were full, but if they emptied easily and the contents were normal....I can't see how a flush would be justified. If it was infected or impacted, they would have known when they emptied them. I'm not sure why they gave antibiotics or steroids if there weren't any actual observed issues with the anal glands except to prevent issues from them being flushed.

w/d is formulated to be a diabetic/glucose and weight management food. It's baaaaasically loaded with insoluble fiber. Just bulk that doesn't break down and goes right through the dog. So yeah, it'll bulk up his stool alright lol. But I'm unaware of any actual evidence to suggest that adding fiber will help with anal gland issues. A lot of people speculate that it does, but there are still lots of dogs out there that continue to have anal gland infections regardless of what is fed or what supplements are added. Vets where I work have recommended pumpkin if the owners want to give it a shot, but I've never heard them suggest w/d for anything but a diabetic animal.

That said....You fed a chicken wing. Which is very high in bone content. Bone content will firm stool quick. Sometimes to the point it causes a bit of constipation. Some dogs are a bit more sensitive to this than others. It could be he was scooting because he was a bit constipated, or he strained a bit getting his last poop out. I wouldn't discourage you from trying to include raw in the diet; I think supplementing raw is great if somebody can't afford or feasible feed all raw. You might just have to be more careful and make sure there's more meat and less bone. Or if you feed a boney thing like a wing, include something that more traditionally softens stool like a chunk of heart or liver, to balance it out.

Yeah I was researching other ways to get fiber into him on the off chance that it'll help. Last time I fed him pumpkin it didn't seem to help but did seem to make his stool softer. He never seemed constipated at all after the wing, but has been having soft stool, I'm not sure if it's the wing, or the different treats I gave him since he was out of his usual ones.

What really worries me about the food is the chicken. Back when he had colitis he only started improving after I eliminated chicken from his diet. So if I'm right and his anal glands were affected by the chicken I doubt the food will do him much good. Ugh I just don't know what's best to do:(
 

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theres always duck necks, lamb briskets bone in rabbit etc to try. depends what you can get
 

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theres always duck necks, lamb briskets bone in rabbit etc to try. depends what you can get

Thanks for the ideas! I've been meaning to ask what else I could try, I'll have to check, at the groceries around here and see what they have available.

My poor baby is hiding, and when he does come out he's slinking around then goes right back under the bed :(:(
 

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Thanks for the ideas! I've been meaning to ask what else I could try, I'll have to check, at the groceries around here and see what they have available.

My poor baby is hiding, and when he does come out he's slinking around then goes right back under the bed :(:(
awww hugs to you and zody! :huddle: Also can get ox tails but they so big and hard to cut up, some necks like veal you really cant cut them up but duck necks are so easy to cut up and snap in half! im trying jess with them again soon. Also theres turkey if you havent tried that?

sorry i cant remember what else there is but others like @TiggerBounce and that will know. I just know what i can get for Jessie right now and its a few ideas. since he on beef food maybe beef brisket?
 

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Well I got a second opinion on Zody's rear end pain today. I took him to Shadow's old vet who did a much more through exam then any I have ever seen Zody's current vet do. He also asked a bunch of questions about what is going on, what had been done, and how he's been acting.

The verdict is that Zody probably has a pinched nerve or something like that that is causing him to have a sharp pain when he moves wrong. He said the way I describe the pain indicates that since Zody will occasionally act like something jabbed him in the butt and will run off with his tail held to the side sit down and start licking at his butt. He didn't feel that an x-ray was warranted since Zody is on the whole not acting like he's in severe pain and the physical exam didn't turn up anything that would warrant it.

He did tell me that Zody has luxatting patella in both knees which I knew, but he told me that one of the knees stays out of socket which I did not know, the current vet never did clue me in on that.

I was given Tramadol and Meloxidyl for him and told to get some weight off of him. Hopefully with the pain medicine Zody will start playing more again. I'm trying to decide exactly where I can cut back on his diet, He only gets 1/2 cup of kibble and a tablespoon of topper. I'm thinking cut back a bit on the kibble and half his topper. I've already cut back on the bully sticks and he's down to no more then 4 (usually only 2) 4 cal treats a day. I swear that dog looks at food and he gains weight! I've managed to get him to not gain weight but I've never managed to get him to lose any, the vet said with Zody food will likely be the key.
 

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Well I got a second opinion on Zody's rear end pain today. I took him to Shadow's old vet who did a much more through exam then any I have ever seen Zody's current vet do. He also asked a bunch of questions about what is going on, what had been done, and how he's been acting.

The verdict is that Zody probably has a pinched nerve or something like that that is causing him to have a sharp pain when he moves wrong. He said the way I describe the pain indicates that since Zody will occasionally act like something jabbed him in the butt and will run off with his tail held to the side sit down and start licking at his butt. He didn't feel that an x-ray was warranted since Zody is on the whole not acting like he's in severe pain and the physical exam didn't turn up anything that would warrant it.

He did tell me that Zody has luxatting patella in both knees which I knew, but he told me that one of the knees stays out of socket which I did not know, the current vet never did clue me in on that.

I was given Tramadol and Meloxidyl for him and told to get some weight off of him. Hopefully with the pain medicine Zody will start playing more again. I'm trying to decide exactly where I can cut back on his diet, He only gets 1/2 cup of kibble and a tablespoon of topper. I'm thinking cut back a bit on the kibble and half his topper. I've already cut back on the bully sticks and he's down to no more then 4 (usually only 2) 4 cal treats a day. I swear that dog looks at food and he gains weight! I've managed to get him to not gain weight but I've never managed to get him to lose any, the vet said with Zody food will likely be the key.
Sounds like a fantastic vet!!!!!! wow pinched nerve? i wonder how long thats been going on so it was that alone and not anal glands? and that useless vet flushed them for nothing? whats going to happen about the luxatting patella that stays out? tramadol is very strong but never heard of second medication. whats the plan to manage the pinced nerve will it correct itself?

i think should find a food with lower fat content and less calories maybe to help the weight. what did he weigh at?
 

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Sounds like a fantastic vet!!!!!! wow pinched nerve? i wonder how long thats been going on so it was that alone and not anal glands? and that useless vet flushed them for nothing? whats going to happen about the luxatting patella that stays out? tramadol is very strong but never heard of second medication. whats the plan to manage the pinced nerve will it correct itself?

i think should find a food with lower fat content and less calories maybe to help the weight. what did he weigh at?

Dunno how long it's been going on. Dr. Lott, the vet I just saw, said that normally with rear end pain he'd also be thinking anal glands, but since they had been flushed 10 days ago and the pain has not gotten any better other things needed to be looked into. Not saying the glands didn't play into it originally, just that it wasn't that alone. What upset me about the other vet was that he didn't even look into anything else after telling me the glands were not impacted, puss filled, or anything else. I asked about his back and he said he saw no sign of back trouble, but during the "exam" all he had done was press around on the belly and check the glands.

The second med is an anti inflammatory like Metacam, and the Tramadol is for pain.

Plan for the pinched nerve is to rest him and get the weight off, and give him the medicine. If it doesn't get better or gets worse we'll go from there. Dr. Lott tries to not do more then necessary.
 

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Oh wow, glad you ended up getting a second opinion!

It might be worth asking about gabapentin if there's nerve pain and the meds you have aren't helping. It's used commonly in dogs to treat chronic pain from pinched nerves. One of my coworker's dogs started showing signs of pain in the rear and the vet determined that it's basically sciatica. They had her on a trial of gabapentin and it seemed to really help her.
 

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Oh wow, glad you ended up getting a second opinion!

It might be worth asking about gabapentin if there's nerve pain and the meds you have aren't helping. It's used commonly in dogs to treat chronic pain from pinched nerves. One of my coworker's dogs started showing signs of pain in the rear and the vet determined that it's basically sciatica. They had her on a trial of gabapentin and it seemed to really help her.
 
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