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So I posted in the New Additions section, but thought I might get more people reading and replying here. Here's the first thread:

http://www.dogforum.com/new-additions/new-guy-adult-puppy-interactions-241793/

Basically we are trying to get Kasper and Zoey more used to Raiden, the new puppy. But we are unsure what to expect, what's okay and how to go about doing it.

A few quick details:

- We introduced the dogs out on a walk, with me carrying Raiden whilst my bf walked Kasper / Zoey. When we got home Raiden went into a pen and we did training with both dogs in the same room, gradually moving closer to the pen.

- Most the time Raiden (puppy) is in the pen, separate from Kasper / Zoey. They have several free-range interactions every day.

- On the first and second day we tried to intro the dogs all together (with Raiden in the pen, just letting the adult dogs see the puppy), but Kasper got frustrated and redirected it onto Zoey (growled at her) so we've been doing it one on one

- Once he's been walked and isn't overly energetic, Kasper has gone from being a total grump (growling if the puppy moves towards him) to playing well, much as he played with baby Zoey...handicapping himself by lying down, loose waggy tail and relaxed mouth etc

- Zoey is intense and overbearing. She has calmed down A LOT with the puppy, to begin with they could only be together a few seconds as Zoey would get way way too hyped, to the point where she drooled. We backed off a little did more training and treats around the puppy before letting them interact again.

- When she's interacting with Rey she has a very intense expression, but they play. Usually Raiden finds shelter (eg under a chair) and does what Zoey did as a puppy - pokes his head out yapping and snapping. Over the past few days Zoey has started holding Raiden by the neck and 'nibbling' him, like corn on the cob - what is this?

- Here's a video of Zoey and Rey yesterday in our garden. This was the second time they had met in the garden. We usually do it indoors, and inside Zoey is completely focused on the puppy and way less willing to stand still! I will try get a video of them indoors today :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoS1x_-0PwU

Questions:

1) How do we teach Zoey to be calm around the puppy? Should they not be interacting freely yet, but should we be doing more 'puppy = treats' things, so just rewarding her for looking at Rey from a distance?

2) Can anyone show me videos or photos of dog interactions where there are subtle clues they're not getting on?

3) From day one Kasper was growly to the puppy; now he only growls if Rey is too OTT. This is good as it calms the puppy down and they've played well since. Sometimes (say in the evening before his second walk) Kasper is too excited and OTT with the puppy, so interactions need to be when he has been exercised and is calmer. Zoey has not told the puppy off at all, and in the first week Raiden would be jumping and biting her legs / neck so we would remove him. Once she is more comfortable / the pup is older, will she start telling him when he's too bitey then?

Raiden gets more excited to see and interact with Zoey than Kasper, I assume because Kasper is more vocal or was growly at first...?

Thanks for any input :)
 

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Congratulations on your new puppy . :) So cute !

I haven't read the other thread but did look at the video .

Its a long time since I've had a puppy but I have had tiny dogs and seen them interact with larger ones.

I think you have done well so far. I wouldn't let them interact freely but carry on letting them mix for a few minutes at a time.

Is it possible for Zoey to wear harness with a short lead or collar so you can direct her away from raiden when she is being over bearing.
i think your pup is confident but when they were at the fence he tried to get a way and Zoey caught up with him. . I felt he was having to be too defensive , play should be more balanced.
I would also intervene when Raiden is under a chair and snapping , this isn't play and you don't want him to do this in the future when he is adult.

It takes time and perhaps slowly and surely is best.

I dont know what plans you have made but Raiden could benefit from meeting other puppies perhaps at well run puppy classes.
 

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Thanks!! :)

It's so hard to tell with puppies when they're playing, with their yapping and snarly faces :rolleyes: To this day Zoey ducks under our (low) bed and sticks her head out, snapping at Kasper whilst playing...I don't know if Rey is doing the same. When Zoey was a puppy we were really worried she was being aggressive, but she was just a snarly player hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbfeXCKPRXI

Yes we can have Zoey's harness on, and will definitely try a lead / longline...my only worry with that was Raiden loves to chew straps so I didn't want him grabbing on and being dragged behind Zoey, thus scaring her :p

Oh yes, I didn't mean interact freely all the time, I just meant is it okay to let them free-range (under supervision) for a few minutes a day, or should we be keeping Raiden completely separate in his pen. We're gonna try giving Zoey a little walk before her and Raiden's interaction today, to see if she's a little more relaxed, but not to the point where she's overly tired.

Here's a video of the puppy with our other dog...Raiden is way calmer with Kasper, and a little timid, as for the first few days Kasper was growly. When they played and Raiden was too snappy Kasper would growl and tell him to calm down. Since then Kasper is much more relaxed and tries to get Raiden to play with him, but the puppy is a little hesitant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k126Gf_ytyk&feature=youtu.be

The fact Kasper is pretty vocal to encourage play (ranging from howly-barks, woofing and play growls) is also new to Rey.

We checked out a puppy socialisation / training class a few weeks before Rey came home, but there was only one puppy there so it's not so much socialisation with other dogs :D Once Rey is nearing the end of his vaccinations we'll phone up and see how many dogs they have going...even if it's just us we'll probably still go.

Our nearby vets also runs a puppy party / play session every week or fortnight (I don't remember which), but we need to go check this out first as they were pretty rubbish with Raiden...when he had his first jab not one member of staff spoke to him, not even the vet! And the vet went right in restraining Raiden to do the health check without stroking or reassuring him first :confused:

And of course we'll take him out and about too...he's already getting used to the world from the safety of our arms; he's been around the village, to the park and the local pub :)
 

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i think a short strap would be better than a long line. I really think you need something you can get hold of her by. I'm not saying that she would deliberately hurt him but she is a heavy dog and he is tiny , he could be very easily hurt by accident.
If they do have more puppies at the class, I would take him. He needs to learn to play nicely and interact with different characters , with shy pups and small pups as well, not just boisterous ones and large ones . If he plays with the same type of dogs , he learn to play like they do and it can lead to bullying behaviour.

kasper was very good :thumbsup: I'm sure Raidon will come round soon.
 
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