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As the title reads, im about done with my now 5 month old birthday gift.

If you have reqd my other posts potty training is going terrible. I went out and bought him a crate 3 days ago, i dont think anyone i the house has got an sleep since.

But lets just take today. From sun up to sun down this is how the day went.

Wake up, outside. Pee and poop
eat 3/4 a cup of food and drink, back outside 15 - 20 minutes later for another pee.
Play around for 30 minutes, outside , no pee. Put in crate fof 20 minutes tehn taken back outside. No pee, back in crate. Taken outside 30 minutes later pee. Success!
play isnside for 10 minutes until he runs down stairs after the cat. Get down to get him fi d him peeing on daughters bed. Outside then crated.
put outside in pen while we went to get groceries, come home take him in to play, runs downstairs on our bed, pees on it.
thrown outside and back in his crate for a good while.
supper time, 1 half a cup of dog food and half a cup cut up left over ham. Taken o walk and back home where he poops and pees.
In the house to play, wife baths daughter and asks me to run down and get her jammies, come back upstairs dog soaked the couch in pee.
Crated for two hours taken back outside to pee then to bed. After 2 more hours of yelping howling and barking wife takes him into bed........again.
was outside then taken to bed, where after 3 hours of sleep, he just peed all over the bottem of the bed, and my legs.

So here i write this from the laundry room where i am doing yet a third load of sheets and blankets today.


I will pay good money for someone to tKe thiz dog and teach him. Cause clearly i am at my limit. This is my 8th dog in the lSt 20 years and i have never seen anything like him.
 

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Have you taken him to the vet and had him tested for UTI and other medical issues that can cause problems with urination and make it impossible to housetrain a dog?

Invest in a belly band, it won't housetrain him but it will stop him from being able to soak your furniture and floor. Y'all will have to make sure to check it frequently, and clean him to prevent urine burn.

He's going to need to be crate trained or the crate becomes a trap. http://www.dogforum.com/training-behavior-stickies/crate-training-faq-3974/ Buy some earplugs, and when he pitches a fit but you know he's clean, fed, watered, and doesn't need to potty you need to COMPLETELY ignore him. Wait for him to quiet down then start playing red light, green light. When he's quiet it's green light and you go towards him to let him out, any noise it's red light and you stop and go back to completely ignoring him (noisy dogs in crates do not exist). Once he's quiet again green light, noisy red light. Repeat until you finally let him out of the crate when he's quiet. Do NOT let him out when he's noisy or you teach him that making noise is the way to get out. It's even worse if he's been noisy for awhile because you teach him that if he's noisy long enough he gets out. Be prepared for an extinction burst, that's when he'll throw everything he's got into the behavior before giving up on it.

In addition to doing that you need to crate train him, you can't simply do that or he will hate the crate.
 
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I don't think this dog has an infection. I think the dog suffers from "lack of supervision", as do most puppies whose owners are frustrated with their housetraining. The first thing I asked when I was done reading this is how on earth is this puppy able to run away and pee on your things in different areas of the house multiple times a day?

It seems like you've had him for a couple months but just bought a crate three days ago...so how were you housetraining him before?

Let me assure you, your puppy has no idea what you want it to do. Puppies need vigorous structure and guidance and if they don't get it...these problems will follow them for the rest of their lives. No magical amount of time will pass where all the annoying puppy behaviors will resolve on their own...you must train the puppy.

One of the most important principles in housetraining is preventing accidents from happening. I never allowed my dog to even have one accident so now the thought of going in the house because it's more convenient is petty foreign to her. You have a crate and it doesn't seem like your dog is eliminating in the crate. good.

For the next month, if your dog is not in the crate make sure you are supervising him 100%...even if that means tethering him to your leg. Literally, every movement he makes needs to be watched by you...and if you can't watch him he goes in the crate. Praise him heavily when he goes outside with treats. Never stop doing that. Even though my puppy is 8 months and has never had an accident, every once in a while she gets a treat for going outside. In the beginning though, she got a treat every. single. time.

I promise this will be a better month for you if you do it this way. You will learn the signs that your dog needs to go. No more sneaking off and finding surprises downstairs, he will be tethered to your leg. This way saves BOTH of you from becoming frustrated...you won't be cleaning up messes and your dog won't be getting "thrown outside".

I hope this helps you.
 

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First few weeks we had him, it was straight take him out every 30 minutes. When the progress on that started to be less and less, we started using the leash method. Which worked but now he is just over 5 months and is too big and strong to be tied to my hip by a leash 24 7. So with the nice weather, him along with my other dogs have been mostly outside, whether its in thier run or on the deck. Everything has been going better except when we leave for a period of time, then he would mess while we were out. So the crate was for when we went away.

NOW, since we started the crate training, its like he is pissed off and going only on the beds and couches. He doesnt mess on the floor , maybe once or twice a week.
 

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Naira, you say that its lack of supervision but he is with me or my wife non stop. we dont let him out of our sight. We dont trust him .

But he is one of those dogs that give no sign that he is about to pee either. he will doesnt sniff or circle or anything.. even on walks he will be walking down the sidewalk head up looking at me or the wife then all of a sudden he starts peeing.. sometimes he is still walking and doesnt even know he is peeing.

Yet the vet says there is nothing medically wrong with him.
 

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Naira, you say that its lack of supervision but he is with me or my wife non stop. we dont let him out of our sight. We dont trust him .

But he is one of those dogs that give no sign that he is about to pee either. he will doesnt sniff or circle or anything.. even on walks he will be walking down the sidewalk head up looking at me or the wife then all of a sudden he starts peeing.. sometimes he is still walking and doesnt even know he is peeing.

Yet the vet says there is nothing medically wrong with him.
See, that sounds very odd to me. For a dog to be walking around not knowing they're peeing surely there has to be a med problem :ponder: I would get a second opinion.
 

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I got Kris at 11 weeks of age. She has never had an accident in the house because I never let her. She was confined to the kitchen when I was there and every time she stopped playing, got up from sleeping, she went outside. She slept in a crate from the first night. She cried in the crate for a little while but I completely ignored her and if she did fuss during the night, I took her outside, then straight back in the crate. If during the day I had to do something so I could not be watching her, she was either outside or in her crate, never ever loose except when I could watch her. This way it does not take long for them to learn to only go outside. Every time they get a chance to go in the house, it makes it that much harder to train them.
 

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Ditto the second opinion. There's just some stuff going on that makes me suspect an issue...:)

Also in the meantime (and if your pup's results come back all clear) I agree with upping the supervision. Go back to the very basics as if you have an 8 week old puppy. Either in a crate/puppy friendly area or with you. For the time being you may want to consider the use of closed doors, baby gates and/or exercise pens to really limit your puppy's freedom basically using those gates and closed doors to make sure he can only be in the same area you're in. They'll just help ensure that he will not be able to leave your sight even for a couple seconds to chase a cat or something similiar.
Also, increase how often you go out for potty breaks. Make sure you're right there watching and reward with treats and attention just as he's finished. :)
 

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you gave him too much space

Why you allowed him to run around the whole house into bedrooms etc when he is new to the house and not potty trained. It is almost impossible for him to understand the differences between where he can pee or not pee, where he can play or not play etc etc. You need to confine him to smaller spaces especially when you can supervise him 24/7. start with a play pen, and slowly increase it to the living room probably, and then to the rest of the house if he behaves well. You need to install some baby gates around your house to confine his movement.
 
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